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This is our considered response to Larry Stillman’s rhetoric on J Wire: The Q Society and Marrickville Council

Larry, you accuse Q Society of being a racist organization, the usual rhetoric levelled at anyone who opposes Islam.

We have carefully looked through the material on Q’s website, and can find nothing to justify this charge.

You note that Q’s PO Box is in the Western suburbs. Are you by this insinuating that those from the Western suburbs like Altona are, by virtue of their geographical status, more likely to be racists? 

 If so, you are showing your prejudice by highlighting this. Surely the locality of a group’s PO Box should make no difference.

You claim that Q has strong links “with other haters and racists who just don’t like Muslims but other people as well.”

Islam will rule Christians, kill all Jews from Palestinian Media Watch on Vimeo.

Which are the other groups you are talking about, and where do you get your information from? Please do not put forward viewpoints without basing them on evidence.

It is true that Q makes it clear it is opposed to the Islamisation of Australia, which is something we should all be concerned about, especially Jews, who are first in Islam’s firing line.

Larry, why not read the Islamic trilogy– Koran, Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and Hadith (his Traditions), where you will discover that most Islamic doctrine is political, not religious - before you attack those who oppose Islam. Then you can find out if there is a basis for their opposition.

Larry, we are afraid your 5 minutes research falls short.

We did an in depth investigation into Q and found no evidence of racism.

In fact, as Jews, we were delighted that Q had taken upon itself the duty to do the work of alerting the community to the dangers that Islam poses to all Australians.

We commend Q for protesting against the racist BDS movement, as well as raising the consciousness of Melbourne residents about the Alma Road Muslim prayer group, which would have otherwise gone unnoticed.

In fact, the spokesman for the Islamic prayer group, ICV’s Nazeem Hussein, is one of the leading lights in the BDS movement. We all know that the ICV is a supporter of Hamas, having given money to Gaza during Operation Cast Lead, and was, until recently, linked to the American group, CAIR, a Muslim Brotherhood front, with proven links to Hamas and terror funding.

And why Larry would you look for Rabbi’s names in the petition?

Do you want to smear them by associating them with ‘racists’? Why single out politicians or rabbis?

Besides, surely all decent people would oppose the racist BDS movement. Larry, your AJDS seeks to have it both ways by supporting a ‘partial boycott’, but you cannot have it both ways and be a little bit of a boycotter. Show some moral clarity here!

You are incorrect in claiming that Newtown Synagogue met with Q Society. Some congregants of the synagogue are part of the Marrickville group which opposed the Motion passed by Council, and comprises Jews and non-Jews who are residents of the Marrickville Municipality.
Q has NO affiliation with the Synagogue

Larry, those signing the petition did so as aware responsible adults. There is a clear distinction between Muslims, and the racist ideology of Islam.  Islamists are currently trying to hijack the agenda by pulling the wool over the eyes of appeasers like you, who are completely taken in by their reassuring mantra that Islam is peaceful.

You claim that Q is trying to create a wedge between Jews and Muslims.

"Democratic Islamic Revolution" in Tunisia - On Friday, Muslims came from their prayers, (full of Jew hatred and inspired by the hate filled mouths of their imams at their mosques), and headed to the main Jewish synagogue in Tunisia. They carried banners and houted slogans such as "Jews wait, the army of muhammad is coming back", and "We will redo the battle of Khybar" (a genocidal massacre of the Jews of what is now Saudi Arabia, by Muhammad). (source)

In truth, the wedge between Jews and Muslims has been there ever since Mohammed failed to persuade the Jews to join his new ‘religion’ and accept him as the final prophet. When they refused, he slaughtered them.

Larry, the Bali bombers called out “remember Kaybar!”

All over the Middle East, Jew hatred is rampant, even to the extent that when the Egyptian people rioted for ‘democracy’, they surrounded an American journalist, Lara Logan, and gang raped her, in the mistaken belief she was Jewish.

Islamists will never let us forget we are their enemies, however much Jews like you try to appease them.

Larry, can you please inform us from where on Q’s website we can download these ‘offensive’ leaflets, so that we can judge them for ourselves?

Despite the carefully orchestrated campaign of AJDS, and ADC’s Debra Stone and their strenuous efforts to convince people that they represent the Jewish community, they certainly do not represent mainstream Jewish thought. Nearly all Jews have had close connections with victims of bigotry, and so have a keen awareness of history and the hatred inherent in Islam towards not only Jews, but women, homosexuals and indeed everybody who is not Muslim.

Let us clarify, Larry. We are not against Muslims, who are fellow human beings, but we are against the tenets of Islam, of which Muslims are also victims.

You refer to the six Orthodox Melbourne Rabbis, as if they encompass all rabbinical thought in Melbourne. But this is simply not the case: out of approximately 40 Orthodox Rabbis, there are only 6 dhimmis, two of whom are from England, the home of dhimmitude. Remember, just because these Rabbis have a theological training does not mean they are knowledgeable about Islamic theology, nor does it mean that they comprehend the significance of the political dimension of Islam. It appears they are oblivious to the fact that there is a good reason to oppose Islam, just as there was good reason to oppose Nazism.

These rabbis may fear that, if we as Jews oppose Muslims praying, then Jews might find themselves similarly affected. This moral relativism is our downfall and ill befits religious leaders, who should be taking a moral lead.

Teaching Palestinian children the tenets of Islam

In the case of Danby, in some instances Larry, maybe it is better to stay ‘schtum’ until one has enough information to make an informed decision, a dictum you would be wise to follow!

For your information, Q and Australian Islamist Monitor (not Islamic, as you wrote) are not connected. Both are independent grassroots organizations which rightly object to Islam, as any well informed and clear thinking person would.

As for your description of pseudo-academics, do you consider the only appropriate academics those who are products of the Islamic Centres of Excellence in our Universities, funded primarily by Islamists?

Many European leaders have now recognized that multiculturalism has failed, not because the host society had not accommodated them, but largely as a result of Islam’s inability to reciprocate and integrate.

We commend Vickie Jansen on taking time to make submissions and highlight the dangers of sharia, which indirectly funds groups which want to kill all Jews. She may not have ‘impressive qualifications’, but has had first hand experience of living alongside Muslims.

We suggest you read her book, Ideological Jihad, with an open mind, before dismissing her. And by the way Larry, Jews value learning, but also realise that it is not just book learning that makes a person a mensch, but leading a Jewish way of life, based on our mitzvot and our actions, which contribute to society. In fact, too much academic learning can lead to hubris and an inability to see clearly, especially as many educational institutions have taken to propagandizing, rather than encouraging students to think for themselves.

Q’s objection to halal slaughter is that it is imposed on non-Muslims.

Your attempt to conflate halal with kosher therefore misses the point. All sane people know that no-one is trying to push a kosher sausage down their throats, whereas halal is being insidiously forced upon the public.

Of course Bill Muehlenberg would not be concerned about kosher food, as last time we checked, Jews and Christians worship the same G-d!

Larry, perhaps you have an innate fear that any objection to Islamic practice will be widened to include Jews? If so, the solution is not to attack those who are highlighting the dangers of Islam, currently the major threat to Jewish existence.

Indeed Larry, even the horror of Nazism pales against Islam.

We agree that Jews need to keep away from the example of Mohammed and paedophilia, which is not just a historical incident, but part of Islamic culture today.

We applaud Cory Bernardi for taking time to read from Islamic sources, rather than being fobbed off by false and deceptive assurances.

Like Q, we too strongly oppose antisemitic groups like The League of Rights, and are well aware of the names and terms used to put the other down. That is why we decry labels such as ‘racist’ and ‘Islamophobe’ whenever people try to tell the truth. Larry, does this resonate with you?

You claim those opposed to Islam spin the line that liberal Muslims are secret extremists. This is not spin, as the doctrine of taqiya prevents Muslims from revealing the truth of their ideology. They must lie for the sake of Islam.

“We smile in the face (of infidels), although our hearts curse them.”

(From Ibn Kathir’s commentary on the Koran.)

You are being conned Larry!

Contrast the Judeo/Christian tradition, where lying is forbidden, and this holds especially for Haredim, who strictly follow Torah precepts.

Marrickville Council have not just gone out of their depth, they have embraced racism and apartheid. In reality, it will be a disaster if people do not understand and stop infiltration of Islam on all its levels, social, educational, political, economic and religious.

Opposing the Islamic group turning a Community House into a mosque is a moral imperative, and those misguided Jews who support Islam’s infiltration have descended into a moral abyss.

Larry, you say that not checking out who the Q Society is demonstrates a high degree of negligence. Certainly, we should always be aware of the background of organizations before we offer support. So why did you not check out what Islam teaches before choosing to support its non-democratic platform over the values of freedom of speech and equality which Q upholds?

We too are concerned that some Jews may be sympathetic to racism, but this occurs amongst all groups of people. Of even greater concern is that some Jews choose to ignore the racism and antisemitism inherent in Islamic texts, preferring instead to smear those who try to warn of the dangers by falsely labeling them ‘Islamophobic’.

We agree that not all Muslims are terrorists, but tragically Islam compels all males, provided they are not defective, to join the jihad against ‘infidels’, not necessarily by fighting, but by undermining free societies so that Islam can be imposed.

If as you say, the US Anti Defamation League believes it is ‘racist’ to oppose Islam, then this once honourable organization has clearly lost its moral compass.

Islam is not a race, and defending the imposition of yet more mosques, a sign of Islamic triumphalism, will deny religious liberty to all others. Just look at the plight of minorities in Muslim countries.

Mosques have always been built at the site of a great conquest, such as the Cordoba Mosque in Spain and the attempt to build a Mosque at Ground Zero.

We too are frankly amazed that no attempt has yet been made by people (eminent or not) to distance themselves from this ‘very nasty group of people, even if they claim to be friends of Jews and Israel’. Yes, all decent Jews should distance themselves from the AJDS, who are taken in by anti-Zionist rhetoric!

Finally, we should like to remind Larry that Peace, along with Truth and Justice, is one of the three key Jewish values. In our prayers, we have always expressed our desire for peace, and indeed Jews have a religious obligation to pursue it.

“Seek peace, and pursue it' seek it in your own place, and pursue it even to another place as well.” Leviticus Rabah 9:9

Contrast Islam’s texts, where the Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to wage war on nonbelievers, calling for them to be fought until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends".
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Of the Jews, The Quran says:

Amongst them we (Allah) have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief. - Surah 5:64

The Hadith, Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
This apocalyptic belief of a future battle against Israel and the murder of all Jews is a deeply held belief among many Muslims, and existed long before the re-establishment of Israel, indeed since Islam’s inception.

 Islam wants to slaughter all Jews. Yes, that includes you Larry!