Sally Neighbour; clitoridectomy; Ayaan Hirsi Ali; dangerous Muslims.

Saturday, 13 November 2010 10:28 Circe Confronting Islam - Apostates
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Having been away for some time, I’m catching up and came across ‘Skeptics challenge Hirsi Ali,’ a ridiculous personal attack on Ayan Hirsi Ali by Sally Neighbour in the Australian (14/8/10). Ms Neighbour never examines Ms Ali’s statements about Islam’s practices or aims.  Ms Neighbour shows her extreme ignorance of Islam in general and its practice in Australia/west in her comments on forced marriage, enslavement of girls and clitoridectomy.  Ms Neighbour then gives a number of well known Muslim taqiyya experts/apologists  (presumably the so-called ‘skeptics’) full reign without any check on whether their statements are true and also of course, no personal attacks on them.   Mr Zammit actually provided figures which show that Australian Muslims are far more dangerous than those in Europe though he tries to claim otherwise!  We are used to this in that Islamic rag, The Age but one might hope for better from the Australian.

“Sceptics challenge Hirsi Ali”

What skeptics Ms Neighbour?  I’m a skeptic and as such I sort the truth by going to the best translation of Islam’s text and laws that I could find and Ms Ali’s statements are spot on!   Have YOU studied Islam’s text (Koran, hadith, sira) and laws Ms Neighbour?

“Her warning against Muslims barely matters in the Australian situation (better check Mr Zammit’s figures below!)
When it comes to Islam, says Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Australia is too laid-back for its own good. Our complacency could be dangerous, as the Muslims among us push for the "gradual Islamisation of Australia". Our leaders must acknowledge these "alarming realities" and amend our immigration policy accordingly.”
These provocative assertions....

Are they ‘provocative assertions’ Ms neighbour, or are they absolutely accurate?  Is Ms neighbour suggesting the constant demands for the special treatment of Muslims isn’t Islamization where Muslims believe they are superior to all others and deserve more?   No of course not, they just want their own gender and religiously apartheid special toilets, wash rooms, prayer rooms, swimming pool days etc because, well, they just can’t be contaminated by the filthy kuffar  and of course we must understand this.  And of course they need a special uniform at school at least for the girls who must hide their offensive yet seductive bodies head to toe.   Naturally they can’t eat our food so they must have sadistically killed halal meat, prayed over by a cleric ,...and of course it’s forced onto us to because we must learn to live according to sharia.’   And the calls for sharia law;   the request for a Muslim only housing estate;    the attempt to force a false rosey view of Islam into schools using our teachers as Muslim propaganda agents (LFOA);    the hysteria at criticism of Islam or even the accurate exposure of Islam’s vile text;    the marching in our streets with a sign calling for genocide of the Jews;   the veiled threats if we dare ‘upset’ them in any way;    the collusion of universities, schools, newspapers, ABC, SBS etc in hiding the true text and laws of Islam, in blocking web sites critical of Islam, in producing a white-washed history of Islam, in abusing any who speak against Islam and often in refusing to give such persons a fair chance to openly discuss their experiences and knowledge of Islam and so on as you have Ms Neighbour by resorting to personal attacks while failing to assess Ms Ali’s statements about ISLAM. 

This IS Islamization and the imposition of sharia, Ms Neighbour!!  But you and most Australians haven’t noticed because it’s hidden under terms like ‘multiculturalism’, ‘tolerance’, freedom of religion’ with OUR constant subjugation to THEIR ‘needs.’ The true aims of Islam against our values, culture and government are hidden.

“Her intensely personal outlook on Islam was forged by the ordeal of growing up in tribal Somalia, where she underwent genital mutilation at the age of five, and later fled to escape an arranged marriage, securing refugee status in the Netherlands. There she became a member of parliament and vocal critic of Muslim migration, an explosive issue in a country with the second highest Muslim population in Western Europe, 945,000 or 5.8%, and a rabid right-wing anti-immigration movement. “

‘Her intensely personal outlook on Islam’ forged by her traumas in Somalia (all in accordance with Islam) attempts to suggest Ms Ali’s views aren’t rational.  Ms Ali is extremely rational.  Again I ask, has Ms Neighbour read Islam’s text and laws and formed any ‘rational’ view herself –or will she continue her emotional, personal attacks on those who dare to criticise Islam?  For background, did Ms Neighbour just read the ‘irrational, personal’ attacks on Ms Ali by Emma Brocke and Hilary McPhee (see Hating Hirsi Ali by Cassandra 22/7/10)

Strangely many people express the same reservations about Islam as Ms Ali eg a) exMuslims (threatened with death in good old safe Australia with its ‘moderate’ Muslims), b) members of other religions who have lived under Islam in a wide variety of countries across Africa, the middle-East, Asia, India etc who also seem to fear Islam, and c) those who tell the truth about Islam.  They give very compelling and rational reasons for their views, quoting text, laws and past and present history as supporting evidence.   Since when did the personal experience of an evil ideology (Islam induced trauma)  render a person unfit to comment on that ideology?

 I haven’t suffered any ‘traumas’ Ms neighbour and I want to keep it that way for my children and grandchildren by keeping the horror of Islam OUT of Australia.  What’s your explanation for MY aversion to Islam?

For Ms Neighbour’s edification I might mention that Islamic text, Mohammad, and Islam’s laws fully endorse clitoridectomy and the marriage of prepubescent children and virgins without their consent.  Clitoridectomy permanently removes the female’s ability to have an orgasm –it’s equivalent to cutting the penis off a male.  It’s against our law but we don’t prosecute because we don’t want to offend Muslims –who cares about girls anyway!  Shamefully the medical profession has even been asked to perform this mutilation!

Australia’s Mufti Sheik Fehmi (Preston mosque) endorses clitoridectomy.  Does Ms Neighbour suggest he knows nothing about Islam?  Fehmi also supports polygamy and terrorist groups and the Preston mosque was associated with ‘educating’ Somalian males charged with terrorism. 

Girls suffering the severe effects of clitoridectomies arrive at our hospitals all the time Ms Neighbour!!  Do YOU support the absolute rights of girls to enjoy sex or the relativist, religious rights of Muslims to cut the clitoris off their daughters in accordance with Islamic text and laws where it’s either obligatory (Shafi law), sunnah (Hanbali) or a courtesy to the husband or noble act for other law schools (see Reliance of the Traveller –Law e 4.3 p 59  whose correct translation from the classical Arabic  states circumcision is obligatory and circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris).

Please READ the text and laws in Female Genital Mutilation - 18/04/07 also parts 2,3 and Clitoridectomy; Wikipedia; The Age and Islam - 18-07-08 etc as there is NO EXCUSE for such ‘ignorance.’

Is it racist Ms Neighbour to imply it’s a black African problem when in fact it is most common in the areas of Africa conquered by Islam where Islamic practices were forced onto others (Southern Sudanese Christians don’t practise it) and has travelled the world  across the ME, ‘Asia’, India, Indonesia and Malaysia with ISLAM (and into the west!). 

Mohammad had sex with a prepubescent child and his fine example is still followed today.  Prepubescent girls and virgins can be married without their consent ---and who would dare not consent! (Reliance of the Traveller: Shafii school –Laws  m8.2  p533 and  law m 3.13 p522.)  Men can marry suckling babies – Hedaya (Hanafi school) Vol. I Book III, page 71 (Ref. 6).

Ms Neighbour is in ga-ga land re forced marriage and child marriage.

(see Massive worldwide paedophile ring untouched - 11/04/08;  Child marriage-Mohammad’s exemplary example - 08/11/07;   Islam & Child marriage - 22/05/07;   Stop Islamic schools – the abuse and inferiority of females (Part 1) 11/10;    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent2.htm where a 20th century Muslim commentator supports sex with a child;    www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo - part 2 where a Muslim on undercover mosque says marriage to pre-pubescent girls wasn’t exploitation, it was marriage and Mohammad showed them how;  girls as young as one can be ‘married’ -FoxNews 08;  rape and marriage of under-age mainly Muslim girls in NZ ). 

Statements made further into her article show that Ms neighbour has her head buried deep in the sand.  She doesn’t seem to comprehend that slavery is integral to Islam and supported in all text and laws and that Muslims have brought slaves into the west and still run a slave trade. 

Mosques in Sydney have taught beating women and don’t forget the cat’s meat!

Will we pretend it isn’t happening here Ms Neighbour!   Can you look into Muslim homes, mosques and schools?

“She collaborated with the film-maker Theo Van Gogh on a controversial film, "Submission", about women in Islam, which prompted Van Gogh's murder by an Islamic extremist. Since then she has lived in fear for her life.”

Of course, dare to criticise Islam and you deserve death threats, right Sally!
Is Ms Neighbour also unconcerned at the demand to kill apostates found in Islam’s text and laws?  How about infidels?

Is ignorance bliss Ms Neighbour or do you know but want to hide the truth?

Ms Neighbour also implies Ms Ali is ‘right-wing’ (must be bad), but neglects to mention Ms. Ali was regarded as ‘left’ till she criticised Islam!  In reality Marxist/Communist/Socialist groups (left) support Islam as do the ‘right’ Nazi and neo-Nazis groups because ALL are totalitarian ideologies with simplistic world views, dreams of universal control, denial of individual rights and freedoms, invasive government control ‘for the good of the community’ and a great capacity to lie and never accept responsibility for anything but always blame others and claim ‘victimhood.’

Ms Neighbour quotes the very smooth Dr Ameer Ali who puts on the western-invented ‘moderate’ Muslim face which occasionally slips.  He is an executive council member of the World Muslim League, named regarding terror financing –but then which Muslim group doesn’t finance terrorism?  Muslims and Muslim groups pay zakat which goes into a pool used across the world and Islamic law states that zakat can be used to support military jihad, to pay fighters and buy weapons. (Reliance of the Traveller Law h8.17 p 272)  Recently Dr Ali’s son was charged with demanding sex in exchange for marks when working in Curtin University and sacked but then got a job in his father’s area at Murdoch University until they discovered his sexual predator past and also sacked him! (see Ameer Ali’s son involved in sex-for-marks scandal 5/9/10 this site)

Ms Neighbour armed with her own personal, irrational beliefs writes:

“Ms Hirsi Ali's assessment of the situation in Australia, made after a week-long trip through NSW, Queensland, Victoria and WA, is debatable, to say the least.
The differences between Australia and Somalia hardly need mentioning. Forced marriage, enslavement of girls and the pre-Islamic practice of clitorectomy thankfully have no place here. Another important distinction is that thirty-eight percent of Australia's 340,000 Muslims - about 1.7% of the population - are Australian-born.

Clearly Ms Neighbour has not read ‘The Islamic Women’s Welfare Council’ report of (2008) which noted ‘rape within marriage,  domestic violence,  polygamy,  welfare fraud where multiple wives claim centre-link support,  exploitation of women,  sexual assault allegations connected with under-age marriages’ and so on.  Apparently she is unaware that hatred of the host country increases in 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims (Sennels 2010) and the problems posed by  ‘Home grown’, ‘ordinary’ British Muslims who succumb to Islamic (Islamist) ideology (Pipes, 2010). 
Mr Zammit’s numbers show Australia’s Muslims are far more dangerous than Europe’s! (see below).

 Ms Ali has lived in several Islamic and western countries and has a wide experience and understanding of how Islam operates.   She can see the danger!

Does Ms Neighbour wonder WHY Demark has increased payments to Muslims to LEAVE Denmark?  It’s due to the increasing problems Muslims cause and their inability to assimilate! (Sennels 2010, Struening 2010)

Mr Zammit:

"There are enormous differences between the situation in Europe and that in Australia," says Andrew Zammit, a researcher with the Monash Global Terrorism Research Centre, who examined the subject in a PhD thesis on global jihadist radicalization.

First thing to note is that Monash’s Global Terrorism Research Centre is headed by a DEVOUT MUSLIM, Waleed Aly has lectured there and so did Dr Wright-Neville who spat hatred of Jews and Christians at a Jihad conference but exited the university following charges of sexual misconduct (Trounson 2009).   Do we really think this group will take a critical look at Islam and the very deadly danger it poses ---HA, HA!   The really bad part is that the Australian taxpayer pays for it!

Mr Zammit runs the ‘poor European Muslim’ line.  He notes Muslims came here under a deliberate policy of ‘multiculturalism.’

Many Muslims immigrated to Britain under the same conditions as Australia.  They came to escape problems in their home country and were welcomed.   The recent British Labor government had a deliberate policy to change the UK's social structure by mass immigration (Wilders 2010).  Muslims BY CHOICE have created a completely apartheid, parallel system with their own sharia law.   And the result?  Britain is a deadly exporter of Islamic terrorists (Pipes, 2010) and social cohesion has been destroyed.

Zammit then tries the nasty colonialists line while also noting the ‘generous asylum policies’ of Europe and the jihadists who took them up!!

Don’t mention the 1400 year long violence against others by Muslims wiping out much of the Judeo-Christian world, or the massacre of many millions of Hindus or Islam’s massive black and white slave trade!   The British in Africa, once they ceased their brief spell with slavery, tried to stop the massive and very long standing (since Mohammad) Islamic slave trade which mostly took women and children.  Many British died.  Elsewhere, Islam’s slave trade was halted or greatly reduced, including by Russia.  Colonialism released the non-Muslim dhimmi populations from paying the extortionist jizya and other taxes.   In India, the Hindus were able to reclaim their country.  Yes, the Muslims must hate those colonialists who put a halt to Islam’s extortion and slave labour – though it still continues today eg Saudi Arabia, Dubai where workers are like slaves and Islam’s slave trade in black slaves and children continues.

"For these reasons and more, there is far more jihadist extremism in Europe than Australia," says Zammit. "In Australia just over thirty people have been arrested on jihadist terrorism related charges since 2001, while over two thousand have in Europe. [This] shows Europe at far greater risk of homegrown jihadist terrorism than Australia."

Well so much for the standard of PhD’s on Islam!  What do you call ‘Europe’?  Mr Zammit, there were about   53.7 million Muslims in ‘Europe’ in 2007 (see http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/05/number-of-muslims-in-europe.html and /Wikipedia-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe) (far more NOW) and you claim around 2000 have been arrested on terrorism charges.

Mr Zammit,    2000/53700000  (simplified to 2/53,700)  is a much SMALLER proportion or fraction than that claimed for AUSTRALIA!

You claim further down that there are 340,000 Muslims in Australia of which 30 have been arrested on jihadist terrorist charges  --- this is 30/340000, (simplified to 3/34,000) which scaled up, if we had the same number of Muslims as ‘Europe’, based on your claims, we would have between 4710 - 4740 arrested on terrorism charges!

This is FAR worse than for Europe!

If you really meant to consider only Muslims in ‘western Europe’, the population of Muslims there is 20 million (Reference) so this becomes 2000/20, 000, 000  [ 2/20,000 or 1/10,000]  which is virtually the same as Australia [3/34,000 or  about 1/11,000] so our Muslims are NO different to those in ‘western Europe.’!  Were you referring to Muslims (terrorists and others) from ‘western Europe’ or from all of Europe?

Hence using the numbers YOU have given Mr Zammit, so mindlessly transmitted by Ms Neighbour, it is clear that if you only meant to include ‘Western’ Europe, our Muslims are AS DANGEROUS but if you meant Europe as a whole, the THREAT TO AUSTRALIA IS FAR GREATER THAN THE THREAT TO ‘EUROPE’.

We have a higher PROPORTION of dangerous Muslims than Europe as a whole.

Of course the threat cannot be determined in numbers caught (certainly not absolute numbers unassociated to the Muslim total as Mr Zammit uses!) because those caught were trained in Islamic schools and mosques and trained, nurtured, supported and hidden in Islamic communities.   This is terrifying as many children are going into Islamic schools to be brainwashed into Islam and will never be part of Australian society.  A completely apartheid Islamic society is being produced as Islam’s text and laws forbid being like the kuffar.

Equally worrying is the infiltration and stealth jihad where we surrender to sharia without even noticing until one day our freedom, equality and rights will be gone completely.

“Successive waves of immigrants, starting with the Chinese in the 1800's who represented the "yellow peril" that spawned the White Australia policy, have faced down accusations that their "alien customs" were incompatible with Australian culture.”

Well there’s alien customs like eating chicken feet and then there’s the Islamic ones like reducing others to slaves or dhimmis under vicious laws;  paedophilia;  clitoridectomy;  beating females who disobey and children who don’t pray;  ploughing females as you wish; polygamy and instant divorce for men;  denying females equality and freedom in a myriad of ways;  taking the women, children, property and land of infidels and raping slaves because allah promised them as booty and said you could;  racism;   slaughter of infidels;  plus the aim to turn everyplace into a monocultural, totalitarian (ARABIC)  Islamic state with  beheading, amputation, stoning and flogging...   These are not mere ‘customs’ which may modify over time, these are the unchanging, absolute teachings and laws of Islam and they are unacceptable in any civilised, humane society.

Waleed Aly:

"It's not long ago we were talking about being swamped by drug-trafficking, knife wielding Asian gangs," says academic Waleed Aly from Monash University. "Not long before that we fretted over dole-bludging welfare-cheating Greeks and Mafioso Italians. These days almost no one even remembers the problems with Croation terrorist activity we had during the 1960s and 1970s."

Waleed makes these claims but many viewed the Greeks and Italians as having a great work ethic as they worked at anything.   Many came with nothing but never expected handouts and simply got stuck in as did the enterprising Jews,  Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese etc.  Yes there were times of fear and uncertainty about newcomers including resentment and battles between different groups of new comers but we should NOT accept Wal’s attempt at an ‘equivalence’ between this and the very real, deadly problems posed by Islamic immigration.

Most importantly, it must be remembered and clearly pointed out that NONE of these other groups came with a totalitarian ideology like Islam which is a blue-print for a completely different society where the government is Islamic, the laws are Islamic and the religion is ‘all allah’s’ and others are eliminated or at the very least reduced to slaves or communal slaves called dhimmis.   All Muslims, regardless of their ‘ethnicity’ are required to work in any way they can to achieve total control by Islam.   Violent jihad is simply one path to control when you have the numbers and the host dares to resist.  Islam is NOT and NEVER has been a private, harmless ‘religion’.   Islam has always been a political ideology of conquest and domination.  

Huntington noted the problems with Islam some time ago – with the majority of conflicts between Muslims and others across the world (p 255; 256) and that nomatter where Muslims are they have problems living peaceably with their neighbours and with other Muslims (p 256).   Islam’s borders ARE bloody, and so are its innards (p 258).  He notes (pp 263/264) that Islam’s foundations are violent and militaristic, built on conquest and conversion.  Mohammad was a hard fighter. 

“The Koran and other statements of Muslim beliefs contain few prohibitions on violence, and a concept of non-violence is absent from Muslim doctrine and practice.” P(263)

 He also noted the ‘absolute’ nature of Islam and its merger of religion and politics.  After reviewing the evidence Huntington rejects the ‘Muslim as victim’ argument (p 264).

But what would he know –let’s keep blaming everyone else and NEVER take a close look at the text, example of Mohammad and laws of Islam!  Right Sally!

Waleed Aly is very practised at putting up false links, and coercing you to think what he wants so you don’t actually consider the REALITY, the very rational reasons for rejecting Islam. 

 "[Hirsi Ali] is arguing essentially that our most recent migrants reject the Australian way of life simply because they"re Muslims. That's just defining entire communities by the attitudes of a fringe. ......

As we all know, it’s a numbers game –there are plenty of articles documenting the increasing violence and demands as Muslim numbers rise. The Muslim PROBLEM IS already evident across the west!

“Ms Hirsi Ali warns that Muslims indoctrinated in madrassas [religious schools] in refugee camps are taught beliefs that are "fundamentally incompatible with Australian values".

As for the attitudes of a ‘fringe’ –which attitudes is Waleed referring to and which ‘fringe?’  I don’t call Islam’s text, laws and the example of Mohammad which ALL true Muslims must follow, the attitudes of a ‘fringe.’ Such text and example is taught in Muslim homes, mosques, prayer halls and schools.  Does the Australian way of life incorporate  paedophilia, clitoridectomy, beating , beheading, amputations, stoning, slavery, rape, stealing....the list is huge and Ms Ali is quite correct, a huge number of acts allowed in Islam are utterly incompatible with Australian values and with our way of life..  

Many things which Australians take for granted such as a democratic, representational democracy with laws that protect the individual from the state and our ideals of individual freedom and equality, including gender/racial equality, tolerance of others and full freedom of belief simply don’t and cannot exist under Islam.   The ideology of Islam is NOT compatible with Australia’s political or social/cultural values whether they operate at the individual or community level.

“However, the chief executive of the Refugee Council of Australia, Paul Power, points out there are more Christians than Muslims among Australia's annual refugee intake of 12 - 14,000. The single largest group is ethnic Karen and Chin Christians from Burma. The Sudanese and Somalis who have recently arrived in large numbers are also predominantly Christian. Power says there's no evidence that the recent influx, which also features Iraqis and Afghans, have any more trouble integrating than previous ones.”

How many Muslims do we need to destroy Australia?   Christians are brutalised across the Islamic world.  Many Christians I have spoken to describe how it’s almost impossible for them to escape their Islamic hell hole because our embassies are staffed by Muslims who won’t process their requests to leave and because they have no money to pay.  At least the Burmese Christians can escape!  In Iraq, the Christian population is being systematically slaughtered or forced out.  The Jews who have a history in Iraq over 2,500 years have been completely ‘removed.’   The Christians in Pakistan like the Copts in Egypt are forced into the lowest jobs or no jobs, starving, abused, their religious sites and people constantly under attack and their daughters abducted and raped.  It’s the same for Hindus in Bangladesh or Christians and animists across Africa or Christians, Hindus, ancestor worshippers and others from Indonesia and Malaysia, and many others – the Bahai, Sikhs etc.  Throughout the world, Muslims either ban other religions or victimise others.  Hence we should take others but NOT take the persecutors of others, Muslims!

And those entering Australia ILLEGALLY –eg by boat?

Mr Zammit:

"While not as bad as Europe, it is true that socio-economic disadvantage in  Australia's Muslim communities needs to be addressed.  .......... These problems are most pronounced in the Australian Lebanese community, which has also produced two-thirds of the men convicted of terrorism in Australia.
"That's why there has been increased resources and powers for law enforcement and the intelligence services, [but] it's not a reason cast aspersions on the rest of Australia's 340,000 Muslim residents," says Zammit.

Most Australians are immigrants, grateful to come here, grateful for the freedom and safety and happy to work.   They didn’t/don’t seek handouts.   I have friends from South Africa who could only come if they had a job and many friends from Asia who could only come if they proved they could set up a business, and they did!   Time to stop the handouts, the jizya Muslims believe they are entitled to, and insist that those who cannot gain employment and live by our laws seek the Islamic country of their choice.

Funny how others eg Chinese, Vietnamese, who often came with nothing and didn’t speak the language or share the culture seem able to get out and work without endless demands!

Muslims clearly have a problem ‘fitting in’ ---solution –DON’T BRING THEM IN as this only makes the ‘problem’ worse!  ‘Problem’ now addressed!

As for the implication that it’s all our fault -  research has shown very few Muslim terrorist are either impoverished, persecuted or uneducated –often quite the contrary!  Britain has had people it took in as refugees, fed, clothed, housed and educated, turn on it and carryout terrorist acts as have well-heeled, apparently integrated British-born Muslims.

Daniel Pipes notes that apparently ordinary British Muslims are responsible for terrorism in Britain (which actually strengthens the Islamist cause!) and many other countries and asks –

“Finally, what will it take in terms of destruction for non-U.K. governments to focus their immigration procedures on that percentage or two of Britons from whom the perpetrators exclusively derive – the Muslim population? Unpleasant as this prospect is, it beats getting blown up. (Pipes 2010).”

Ie stop allowing Muslims including British ones into your country!

Our treatment of them is not the problem ---their text and Islam’s world view is! Sennels provides an excellent analysis based on interviews with Muslims and reference to Islamic ‘culture’ that shows why Muslims find it virtually impossible to assimilate and integrate–ie to share the values (tolerance, equality, individual freedom) that are part of western society.  Instead they create supremacist parallel societies antagonistic to their host (see Sennels 2010, Struening 2010)

Ms Neighbour trots out a claimed error by Ms Ali who supposedly said Hizb ut-Tahrir was banned in Britain possibly in the hope that this one slip means we will discount Ms Ali’s claims about Islam –though surprisingly Ms Neighbour DOESN”T INVESTIGATE these claims by reading Islam’s text and laws herself!

Yes Hizb operates freely in Britain and Australia –though some Muslim countries ban it.   It uses our insane ‘tolerance’ to spread its treason against our democracies with its incitement and aims of an Islamic caliphate under sharia.  Blair wanted to ban it but under pressure, chickened out.  It has been linked with bomb attacks and violence.   There’s plenty of information on the web regarding them.

Britain is great for Hibz as it gives them a voice to the world, access to the global media and plenty of recruits from schools, universities, mosques....

What a pity Ms Neighbour didn’t actually read Islam’s text (koran, hadith, sira) and laws and see if Ms Ali might have a point rather than just limit herself to personal attacks.   What a pity she just took at face value the usual pro-Islamic garbage from the usual Muslims and apologists.

Does she wonder why we don’t fear those of other religions –only Islam!  Does she ask why the Islamic world bans or persecutes those of other beliefs and kills any who wish to exercise freedom of belief and conscience and leave Islam? 

But let’s keep ignoring what Ms Ali and other exMuslims and those who have lived under Islam say, let’s just carryout personal attacks so we never confront the alarming reality of Islam because as I know from my experience, once you know what Islam really is, if you value freedom, you will fight to stop it and gee, we wouldn’t want to actually DO something would we!

What ‘ordeal of growing up’ in Ms Neighbour’s life has rendered her so incapable of seeking the truth?


 References:

1)  FoxNews.  ‘Call it marriage, Islamic style.’ 25/6/08  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371581,00.html
2)  Huntinton, S. P  ‘The Clash of Civilisations and the remaking of world order’  Touchstone 1998
3)  Neighbour, Sally.   ‘Sceptics challenge Hirsi Ali’   The Australian.  14/8/10
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sceptics-challenge-hirsi-ali/story-fn59niix-1225904789257
4)  Pipes, Daniel.  ‘Britain's New Export: Islamist Carnage’  National Review Online  August 3, 2010 http://www.meforum.org/pipes/8706/britain-export-islamist-terrorism
5)   Sennels, Nicolai.   ‘Muslims and Westerners: The Psychological Differences’  May 2010
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/63122/sec_id/63122 (New English review)
6)  Struening, Felix.  Nicolai Sennels: “The one thing Muslim immigrants fear is being deported.” 
   http://www.germanbookreview.com/the-one-thing-muslim-immigrants-fear-is-being-deported/
7)  Trounson,  Andrew.  Monash University academic David Wright-Neville quits after allegation
The Australian September 02, 2009 http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/business-education/monash-university-academic-david-wright-neville-quits-after-allegation/story-e6frgcp6-1225768573373

8)  Wilders, Geert.  Speech House of Lords, London, Friday the 5th of March 2010
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1662&Itemid=1
*)  Hedaya or guide:   A commentary on the Mussulman laws:  Translated by order of the governor General and Council of Bengal     Translated by Charles Hamilton:  (1791)   London . 
*)  Reliance of the Traveller:  A classic manual of Islamic sacred law.   In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller  Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib;  Amana publications  Maryland USA 1994.