Turnbull and Gillard: The Tweedledum and Tweedledee of useful idiots for Islam (Part1).

Saturday, 02 April 2011 02:50 Circe Islamist Profiles - Useful Idiots

Cory Bernardi told the truth when he said Islam was totalitarian and a problem but would-be Liberal leader (he was arrogant and useless the first time round) Malcolm Turnbull stunned many when he spewed forth pro-Islamic propaganda on the ABC’s Q and A 28th Feb 2011.   He showed himself to be both arrogant and ignorant of the real text, practices and laws of Islam and woefully ignorant of its nature, its aims and the destruction it has wrought around the world in its massive and ongoing slave-trade, its conquests and its utterly repressive societies.  He falsely accredited Islam with discoveries that were NOT Islamic.  It is impossible to distinguish him from the Islamophilic (anything to get the Muslim vote) Labour Party and Ms Gillard.  (Part 1 looks at Turnbull –Tweedledum and part 2 at Gillard –Tweedledee)

Turnbull and Gillard are Tweedledum and Tweedledee – 2 persons, nominally different but practically the same.

Turnbull: - Tweedledum  (or should it be Tweedledhimmi??)
I am only commenting on the last 15 minutes or so of Q and A which I caught by accident.   It was however, enough to see very clearly the treachery of Turnbull. Not only did he fail to point out the Islam was an ideology NOT a RACE, he also failed to support freedom of speech and allowed to stand unchallenged the false attack on his colleague, Cory Bernadi,  who was called a racist and bigot.   Any outside Islam who read its horror text, example of Mohammad and laws would want this false religion/totalitarian political system STOPPED.  This is not bigotry, it’s common sense.  The words ‘racist’ and ‘bigot’ are like the term ‘Islamophobic’ and are automatically applied to any who dare to rationally criticise Islam.

As Pat Condell has noted re Islamophobia, invented --

 ‘by Islamic supremacists and their leftwing enablers as a way to silence critics of Islamic brutality, intolerance, misogyny, homophobia and anti-Semitism and to stigmatise those who oppose religious fascism, inferring that they have a mental disorder.’ 
‘Of course there is only so many times you can tell someone who doesn’t want to hear it that a phobia is an irrational fear but there’s nothing remotely irrational about fearing Islam especially if you happen to be female, or Jewish or gay or all 3!’

‘What is irrational is indulging Islam and pretending it’s just another religion –it’s more than irrational, it’s downright stupid.  It’s as foolish as keeping a large, predatory animal as a pet, sooner or later you will be taken and you will deserve it!!’

‘People who oppose Islam are not Islamophobic, they are Islamorealistic. They’ve had years of abundant and consistent evidence and they see the religion for what it is  -- a supremacist, totalitarian ideology ....

 Pat Condell on Islamophobia

Well, Turnbull not only patted the predatory animal called Islam, he fed it as well.
And he sank even lower-

Turnbull attributed our number system to Islam when in fact it was developed by Hindu Indians and plagiarised by Islam.

For starters, the Muslim attributed with zero, Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi declares in his own writings that the decimal numeration with the recurrence of zero is NOT due to him but to the renowned Indian mathematician Brahmagupta.

Research has also shown that in the 5th century, the Mayans wrote the birth date of the universe with a zero, and marked the first day of each month with zero and used a zero to fill in spaces in calculations when a number was missing (Fallaci p 47 2001). 

 Assyrians also had a zero long before Islam –and they formed the majority of the translators of Greek knowledge into Arabic.  They had a university in the 4th century –School of Nisibis- with 3 departments –theology, philosophy and medicine and so much more (Betbasoo 2006 –essential read).

“An Indian Muslim scholar brought 2 seminal mathematical works to Baghdad in 770  --one was the Brahmasiddhanta (known to Arabs as Sindhind) of the great 7th century Indian mathematician Bramagupta containing the early ideas of algebra which in the 9th century were combined with Greek geometry to form algebra using Indian/Hindu numerals– surely credit also belongs to Greek and Indian mathematicians!

The second manuscript contained the revolutionary system of denoting number (today’s decimal system), including the concept of zero --- (Khan p 202 2009)  This was the work of 3 great INDIAN HINDU mathematicians – Bhashkaracharya and daughter Lilavati and Brahmagupta (Khan p 255, 2009).  The numbers we use are HINDU.

AND TURNBULL credits our number system to Islam!!!   SHAME!!   Not a mention of the real ‘inventors!!’

Turnbull, tweedledum and useful idiot of Islam, believes we should thank those plagiarising, thieving, enslaving, murdering, utterly destructive Muslims who destroyed as much of the previous society and its ‘ignorance’ as they possibly could ---well unless it was useful, and used the conquered people as slaves and dhimmis in the service of Islam.

Turnbull of course doesn’t utter a word of criticism against Islam for its massive destruction of India.   As for India’s mathematics, medicine, pharmacology etc we didn’t need Islam to intervene, as the Indians allowed others to study in their universities, they travelled out and shared their knowledge and hence their knowledge would have spread by the usual exchange and travels of people.    Islam came and destroyed; it stopped or inhibited Indian science and destroyed India’s culture....  Islam blocked the free exchange of ideas and practised cultural genocide.

This was the Muslim view of Hindus (Jains, Buddhists) From sea to sea the “capitals of the gods of the Hindus, in which Satanism has prevailed since the time of the Jinns, have been demolished”( (Muslim chroniclers, Bostom, p 641-2).  The slaughter of Hindus (Jains, Buddhists etc) was/is an act of genocide.  

“From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoilations and destructions.   It is as usual in the name of a ‘holy war’ of their faith, of their sole god, that the barbarians have destroyed civilisations, wiped out whole races.”  The policy of the Muslim invaders “seems to have been a conscious, systematic destruction of everything that was beautiful, holy, refined (to Indians)..”( Danielou quoted in Khan p 200-1)

Alberuni (973-1050), a Persian scholar captured by Muslim leader Mahmud when attacking central Asia, was brought to India and travelled for 20 years studying Indian mathematics, philosophy, geography and religion.  He recorded the Muslim conquests of India, noting-

“Mahmud utterly ruined the prosperity of the country and performed there wonderful exploits, by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all direction, and like a tale of old in the mouth of the people. ... This is the reason, too, why Hindu sciences have retired far away from those parts of the country conquered by us, and have fled to places which our hands cannot yet reach.... Their scattered remains cherish of course, the most inveterate aversion towards all Muslims” (recorded in his book 1030-cited in Khan p 89, p 191, Bostom p 83, Trifkovic p 110)

Even Muslims noted the great contribution of India --- but NOT Turnbull eg the 11th century Spanish Muslim scholar Said al-Andalusi in his book ‘The Categories of Nations’ – on world science writes:

“To their credit the Indians have made great strides in the study of numbers and of geometry.  They have acquired immense information and reached the zenith in their knowledge of the movements of the stars (astronomy) and the secrets of the skies (astrology) as well as other mathematical studies.  After all that, they have surpassed all the other people in their knowledge of medical science and the strengths of various drugs, the characteristics of compounds and the peculiarities of substances (chemistry). (quoted in Khan p 204, 2009)

(to see some of the destruction of India read the cited books or a summary in  “Islam’s jihad against India 7th-16th century:  part J in Islam’s genocidal slavery:”  and “Islam’s jihad against India 16th -21st century:  part K in Islam’s genocidal slavery:”  Circe this site)

Turnbull then claimed our culture and learning came from Islam –

It is precisely because our cultures are virtually diametrically opposed that there is a ‘problem’ Mr Turnbull where Muslims cannot assimilate and want to make our society and laws Islamic!

 Let me see, does our culture allow adult men to have sex with tiny girls either Muslims or slaves?  Do we support cutting the genitals/clitoris off girls or allowing females to be beaten and ploughed like fields?   Do we have a doctrine like jihad with its associated slavery, rape, and pillage where allah promises all that belongs to others as the booty for the Muslim with the added personal brothel in paradise should he die in battle?  Do we operate a totalitarian system where religion, government and law are all one and any deviation means death?   Do we preach religious, racial and gender supremacy as Islam does with white Arabs being superior to all others and black people, Jews, Turks and people with flat faces and small eyes are particularly loathed, where Islam is superior to all others, where Muslim males are superior to females?   Do we propose racial, religious and gender apartheid systems as Islam does where the world is divided into dar-al-Islam and dar  al –Harb, where people are divided into Muslim and the hated kuffar/non-believer and where males and females are segregated as in Islam?

Islam bans the playing of musical instruments and says those who listen to a female singing will have hot lead poured into their ears.  Islam bans all representations of humans and others animals.   Funny, I felt that art and music played are really big part in our society and that a revival of a certain type of art took place when Greek and Roman ruins were uncovered in Europe. 

The Dome of the rock is a Byzantine martyrium -

 ‘The architectural design of mosques, for example, long a source of pride among Muslims, was copied from the shape and structure of Byzantine churches. (And of course, the principles that keep domes and arches up in the air were discovered over a thousand years before the advent of Islam.) The seventh-century Dome of the Rock, considered today to have been first great mosque, was not only copied from Byzantine models, but was built by Byzantine craftsmen.(Spencer 2005) 

A good sized Italian city would have more artwork than the Islamic civilisation.   And Koranic calligraphy ---compare it with the great work in China, Korea and Japan..

Yes my list could go on but it is patently obvious that our culture did NOT come from Islam.

Greek civilisation of course has existed for millennia –long before Islam came into existence.  The early Christians were often Greek.   Surprise, surprise, Greek learning, ideas, texts etc had spread back and forth across the Mediterranean for centuries long before Islam.  Greek texts and Latin translations can be found in Christian religious training centres and libraries and they can be found in private libraries. Muslims attacked endlessly and finally succeeded in utterly destroying Constantinople (1453), while the Greek scholars fled to Europe eg Italy  ---but gee, they didn’t know anything about Greek learning, science, philosophy...

In the 7th-8th century Europe was rebuilding, the new conquerors were still versed in Roman law which was being reinstated, and Greek culture, then Islam hit like a destructive Tsunami.  Do people really think it helped Europe to have constant Muslim attacks for centuries;  to have trade disrupted; to have people slaughtered or enslaved, villages destroyed, cropland burnt and returned to wilderness; to have the energy of leaders devoted to removing this deadly sadistic, conquering force of Islam?    Did it benefit Eastern Europe to suffer for endless centuries virtually to the 20th century under the violence and repression of Islam?

Let’s go back to the start of Islam long after the beginning of the Greek civilisation and 600-700 years after Christianity began. Those Muslim Arabs raced out of the desert to kill, to conquer, to enslave, to pillage ..... and of course they carried great books of learning tucked under their arms ---- NO!   They were pagan (newly Muslim), illiterate tribes people.   All they learnt they took from others.  

How did Arabic speaking Muslims even become aware of  Greek culture?  Texts were translated from Greek or Syriac into Arabic generally by Christians (slaves or conquered dhimmi populations)– does Turnbull think that Christians and others didn’t know this text?   Hence Muslims should thank the ‘Greek’ and ‘Assyrian’ Christians for giving them a chance to take-up Greek culture and science but they failed miserably!  It was rejected for the absurd certainties of Islamic dogma.  (Note Assyrians are NOT Arabs)

Assyrians set up the first university in the 4th century - The massive contribution of Assyrian (Nestorian, Jacobite) Christian scientists, physicians, philosophers and translators who not only translated works into Arabic but continued their own research until they were virtually wiped out, can be read in BetBasoo 2006 and Who are Christians of Iraq? (History of Christians in Iraq  http://www.christiansofiraq.com/.) The history of Christians in Iraq not only notes the wealth of Christian translators but notes

‘Christian Doctors were famous for their extensive medical skills.
The Medical training and teaching facilities of Jundi Shappor designed, built, and managed by the Assyrian scholars was transferred to Baghdad....
Members of the Bakht-Eisho family served as court doctors for seven generations.’

BetBasoo notes the medicine; the architecture with parabolic shapes for domes and arches long before Islam as the archaeological record shows;  the basis of modern mathematics including zero pre-Islam; the work of Chaldeans and Babylonian astronomers; and  the lack of ‘Arabic’ literature in the early Islamic period compared to a massive body of Christian writing in Latin, Greek, and Assyrian (also called Syriac).    The significant translators and interpreters of Greek science were noted in the book HOW GREEK SCIENCE PASSED TO THE ARABS by De Lacy O'Leary and of 

22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, one was Persian and one an Arab.......... Clearly Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge.’

BetBasoo notes -

‘the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).

‘Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. (See THE MIGHT THAT WAS ASSYRIA by H. W. F. Saggs).’

Robert Spencer also queries why credit goes to Islam -

“there was a great cultural and scientific flowering in the Islamic world in the Middle Ages, but there is no indication that any of this flowering actually came as a result of Islam itself. In fact, there is considerable evidence that it did not in fact come from Islam, but from the non-Muslims who served their Muslim masters in various capacities.
(Ie it was part of the culture of the conquered, not part of Islamic ‘culture.’)

“The astrolabe was developed, if not perfected, long before Muhammad was born. Avicenna (980-1037), Averroes (1128-1198), and the other Muslim philosophers built on the work of the pagan Greek Aristotle. And Aristotle's work was preserved from the ravages of the Dark Ages not first by Muslims, but by Christians such as the fifth-century priest Probus of Antioch, who introduced Aristotle to the Arabic-speaking world. The Christian Huneyn ibn-Ishaq (809-873) translated many works by Aristotle, Galen, Plato and Hippocrates into Syriac, from which they were translated into Arabic by his son. The Jacobite Christian Yahya ibn 'Adi (893-974) also translated works of philosophy into Arabic, and wrote his own; his treatise The Reformation of Morals has occasionally been erroneously attributed to various of his Muslim contemporaries. His student, another Christian named Abu 'Ali 'Isa ibn Zur'a (943-1008), also made Arabic translations of Aristotle and other Greek writers from Syriac.

The first Arabic-language medical treatise was written by a Christian priest and translated into Arabic by a Jewish doctor in 683. The first hospital, another source of pride among Muslims and often a prominent feature of Islamic accomplishment lists, was founded in Baghdad during the Abbasid caliphate by a Nestorian Christian. A pioneering medical school was founded at Gundeshapur in Persia -- by Assyrian Christians. The world's first university may not have been the Muslims' Al-Azhar in Cairo, as is often claimed, but the Assyrian School of Nisibis.(Spencer 2005)

As for the first hospital –look up Asclepius the ancient Greek god of medicine and healing with his daughters Hygieia ("Hygiene"), Iaso ("Medicine"), Aceso ("Healing"), Aglæa/Ægle ("Healthy Glow"), and Panacea ("Universal Remedy") and you will discover that ‘hospitals’ existed long before Islam as people came to particular sites for treatment.  In Turkey you can visit the Asclepion of Pergamum, founded by Archias, which became famous under Galen (131-210 AD), a local physician who pursued his medical studies in Greece and Alexandria (Egypt) before settling there as doctor to Pergamum's gladiators.  Here people stayed and were treated with rest, herbs, baths, exercise etc!

Particularly in the 9th century, the translation of Greek philosophy and science was essential for medical and astronomical knowledge.  Yes some Muslims became involved but many who took on Greek reason etc became known as rationalists, heretics, agnostics, atheists and freethinkers.  Those who dared to question the tenets of Islam were in real trouble and many were executed eg al-Sarakhsi (executed 899).

Al-Razi –abu Bakr Muhammad B. Zakariya al-Razi (865-925) was a great physician and while some want to claim him as a Muslim he was at best agnostic.  He summarised all he could from Greek and Indian sources.  He trumpets reason and denies Islamic dogma.   He denounces all prophets – Jewish, Christian or Islamic and describes the Koran as an assorted mixture ‘of absurd and inconsistent fables’ and continues to denounce its style, content etc (Warraq p 268 1995)

Between the 8th and 10 th centuries there was some effort in the Islamic world to take in Greek culture resulting in a period of  Islamic ‘rationalism.’ 

There is of course no real ‘Islamic philosophy’ and Islamic law bans certain areas of philosophy and science because it is foreign and can lead to heresy, doubt and unbelief...

Some like to think of the Mu’tazilites as Islamic ‘free-thinkers’ but think again –they were religious  Muslims involved in the Muslim inquisition (Mihna) under the Abbasids.  The Mu’tazilites did introduce Greek philosophical ideas leading to rationalism and doubt.   They believed the Koran was created, not revealed, certain verses inauthentic and there was nothing ‘miraculous’ about it!  They also questioned the authenticity of the hadith.   However they were intolerant of those who disagreed, and advocated Jihad against others.  Their dogmatic, still Islamic though slightly different, ideas were largely defeated by the 10th century.   Religious truth lay in the Koran and sunna, reason was not required! Hence Islam is petrified in the 7th-8th century as early dogma continues to rule and indeed cannot be rationally challenged without the destruction of Islam for its claims are truly absurd and its attitudes and practices obscene in the modern world.

Al-Ghazali (11th-early 12century), sometimes referred to as ‘the greatest Muslim after Mohammad’ (Warraq p 264   1995) attacked the philosophers particularly in his famous work, ‘The incoherence of the philosophers’ as their ideas were incompatible with Islam .   He regards the philosophers as heretics and infidels and demands death for those who hold opinions derived from the philosophers.  Areas of ‘natural science’ were deemed contrary to religion.
Philosophy, reason, free inquiry and rationalism disappeared and Islamic theology and dogma ruled but in the Islamic east philosophy was already in retreat while it lasted longer for Islam in the west (small area of Spain). 

Following this what was left of ‘Greek’ philosophy in Islam was largely found in the west eg Averroes (Ibn Rushd - 1126-1198) –an extreme rationalist, who was denounced and denied by Muslims and had no influence on ‘Islamic’ philosophy  but his ideas were kept alive in the west.  More recently Muslims have attempted to reclaim Averroes as Muslim yet his ideas were clearly heresy and apostasy to Islam.  He described Muslim women as kept like  ‘domestic animals or house plants for purposes of gratification of a very questionable character....’  (Warraq p 271  1995).

Yes we have a few Arabic words used in science but ‘Islamic scientists did not often improve substantially on the works of the Greeks.’ (Warraq p 272 1995)  And the Koran incorporates Greek science –eg the development of the embryo.  *Koran sura 23.13 -14 tells us the embryo is first a mix of male and female sexual ‘discharge’(Nutfah) then a bloodclot, then flesh, then bones, then bones with flesh ...

The Greek physician Galen (131-210AD) believed that the embryo developed in four stages:

Geniture - an unformed white conceptus like semen (similar to nutfah)
A bloody vascularised foetus with brain, liver and heart (similar to alaqa)
Other features were mapped out but unformed (similar to mudghah)
Puer - all the organs were well formed and joints were freely moveable
(Source: A. W. Meyer (Stanford, 1939) The Rise of Embryology, p. 27)

So-called Arabic science used the same terms in the Koran as Galen did hundreds of years before. Koranic ‘revelations’ anyone!  The Assyrians translated Galen’s work into Arabic.

As Ibn Khaldrum reminds us, Arabs did not play a great part in the original development of Islamic science:  “It is strange that most of the learned among the Muslims who have excelled in the religious or intellectual sciences are non-Arabs with rare exceptions; and even those savants who claimed Arabian descent spoke a foreign language, grew up in foreign lands, and studied under foreign masters.”  (Quoted in Warraq  p 272  1995)

As you look closely at ‘Islamic science’ most of the credit must go to Persians/Zoroastrians, Christians, and Jews or those forced to convert but still within their non-Muslim culture.   The Fons vitae of Ibn Gabirol (Avicebron) was claimed as Islamic BUT was done by a JEW. The medical works of Jews eg Isaac Israeli and Maimonides and scientific works of Christians  eg Barhebraeus show that what we credit to Islam may have been done by others and certainly didn’t originate in ‘Islamic religious dogma.’ Indeed many were forced to outwardly seem ‘Muslim’ and took on ‘Muslim/Arabic’ names purely for a safer life!

Warraq notes that the study of ‘foreign sciences’ eg sciences of the Greeks –mathematics, philosophy, natural sciences(zoology, botany), medicine, astronomy, music, magic, alchemy...was always regarded with suspicion as non-Muslim in origin and endangered the faith.
Useful knowledge according to Muslims, helped the practice of Islam eg the Islamic sciences of the study of the Koran  and hadith, Islamic jurisprudence and theology etc.

Yes there were Muslims who took on philosophy and reason but these did NOT have roots in Islam or the needs of Islam or the practice of Islam.

Yes other religions have also at times worked against such reason and questioning but the difference is that in Judeo-Christian text, god is a rational god of reason who designed the world with fixed laws that humans could understand through reason so they could understand god’s works.   While some wanted to stop knowledge, I don’t find this in actual text.

This is NOT the case with Islam where the Koran is allah’s literal words, a revelation that cannot be questioned and where allah works on whims so why bother seeking physical laws when allah can change them anytime?  The Koran tells Muslims not to question as some before questioned and on account of that lost all their faith (*Koran 5: 101-102).   Muslims can ask for religious clarification but to actually challenge text is a deadly pastime.

When Muslims were ejected from their small stronghold in Spain, did the Islamic world go forth with its great knowledge and develop ---NO.  A short essay by Bostom and Ye’or also debunks the golden age of Islamic Spain and is worth reading.   Obviously the Visigoths had inherited centuries of Greek and Roman Civilisation and also knowledge from the Carthaginians and Assyrians –this was the cultural foundation of Europe.  Muslim conquerors obtained their knowledge from the Byzantines, the near-east and Christian-Roman North Africa, aided by Christian and Jewish translators, but it was NOT part of their culture.

The west flourished because the Greek ideas were already part of its society, had entered its religious thought and text and provided a base there long before Islam.  
As stated already, Islam should thank particularly Greek/Assyrian Christians for the chance they gave Islam to develop as a civilised, enquiring, humane society ---but while some tried and odd, brief bright spots appear, overall Islam refused that chance and held to Islamic dogma without question.

We should condemn Islam for its destruction not only of texts, libraries and the learning sites of others, but for its conquest, enslavement and destruction of societies, its interruption of the normal flow of knowledge and ideas across the Mediterranean and into and from India and China with their massive knowledge in science, medicines, mathematics, chemistry, pharmacology, astronomy, philosophy, art, music, etc

No-one needed the deadly presence of Islam for this to occur.   Islam was not a transmitter but was an inhibition to the normal process of exchange between people.    What if European, middle-eastern and Indian societies had developed without the violence, slavery, depopulation, denudation, starvation and cultural destruction etc due to Islam. 

One might ask what happened to the original Greek texts translated into Arabic?  But, if you read the true history of Islam’s vicious, destructive conquests the answer is very obvious.  Why do we thank Islam for keeping some texts in ‘Arabic’ thanks to non-Muslim translators while they destroyed the originals and of course who knows what wealth of knowledge was never translated and is completely lost.    Remember that others also held some Greek and Latin versions of Greek text in Europe --thank them!

Islam regards all that is not Islamic as  Jahiliyya – ie ignorance, meaning anything pertaining to a society that is not Islamic is Jahili

any society is a jahili society if it does not dedicate itself to submission to allah alone in its beliefs and ideas, in its observances of worship and in its legal norms’ (Sayyid Qutb quoted in Sookdheo p 107   2007).

This idea of obliterating the pre-Islamic pagan jahili societies was extended to all non-Muslim societies or even to nominally Muslim ones that don’t apply the full sharia.  Jihiliyya is always evil and must be annihilated  --hence all that was part of non-Muslim societies had to be eliminated --- this is cultural genocide and continues today  -- Islam replaces societies with an Arab Islamic society.   First Muslims appropriated the bits that might be useful, then destroyed the originals and pretended it was Islamic work...

The texts, writings, libraries and learning centres of others were destroyed wherever Muslims went.   Yes, Muslims DID destroy the ‘Great Library of Alexandria’ when Caliph Omar conquered Egypt (641)  -imagine the texts that were lost!! (Khan notes that Theodore Vrettos (2001) claims that Caesar’s soldiers set fire to ships, resulting in the docks and a building with books (mainly account ledgers) being destroyed BUT this wasn’t the Great Library of Alexandria which was further away (see Khan P 247 for detail).

Muslims burned the royal Zoroastrian library at Ctesiphon following the conquest of Persia...likewise libraries in Damascus (Syria) and Spain.  In 1171, Sultan Saladin destroyed the great library of Cairo (Khan p 247)  There are reports of books being destroyed after being copied into Arabic and the massive destruction of libraries and learning centres in India, and ancient Buddhist libraries in what is now Afghanistan and Pakistan and elsewhere.  (Khan p 187).  What a horrendous loss of knowledge accumulated over many centuries by many different people!
The Taliban destroyed the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan.  Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini  - nothing has changed!

Islam ‘flourished’ because it fed on the knowledge and culture of others who continued to work despite their societies being destroyed.  Islam actually retards development.    Once others were destroyed, Islam fell and no great Islamic society arose.

Bat Ye’or notes the sheer hypocrisy and dhimmitude of the west in dealing truthfully with Islam-

‘dhimmitude has become a global way of relationship between Europe and Muslim countries.  It has established at all levels a dissymmetry in respect of human rights, freedom of the press, of opinion and religion, as well as democratic rights. The reason is that dhimmitude is not recognised as a crucially important page of world history. Hence the west has adopted the Islamic view of history, where the dhimmi nations had no history, no culture, no existence.  Indeed, dhimmi peoples have neither a cause nor history.  They do not have the right to claim any reparations for the centuries of exile, deportations, spoliations, massacres and persecution. They do not have the right to speak of this.  And when they try to retrieve some of their homeland and part of their history, they are called agressors and usurpers.” (p 398)

Turnbull has just shown what a great DHIMMI he is as he mouths Islamic propaganda, the Islamic world-view.   He has taken part in Islam’s genocide of the cultures of others by claiming as ‘Islamic’ discoveries the ideas that belong to other cultures which he completely ignores.  Will he claim Einstein was really Muslim?
Turnbull displays the ‘PC Newstate-speak’ where you can only think and say what the ‘elite’ allow –critical analysis, reason and truth have nothing to do with it! (Glasov interviewing Bill Warner 2009 re ‘Newstate’ speak ---essential reading!)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine.   

As for the simpering, tizzy, hijabed Muslim MIS-representative of Australia at the UN who pawed Turnbull to reward him for his taqiyya for Islam --- try that in the Muslim world under sharia sweetie and you’ll be stoned or hung for ‘crimes against your chastity.’    In Islam, ‘marriageable partners’ must remain segregated!

We are so desperately in need of a Geert Wilders or Winston Churchill.     Our politicians, with some exceptions, are appalling and deliberately blind to the truth and evidence re Islam so they mindlessly force us down the same destructive path as that in Britain and Europe ---WHY?


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