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Parliament of World Relgions Dumps Jews

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Melbourne has just hosted the Parliament of World Religions (PWR). Now that the dust has settled, maybe we can see what should have been obvious from the start:

 

  1. Under the guise of multifaith, Islamic dominated.
  2. Having used Judaism to claim Abrahamic status, Judaism was dumped.

 The PWR had a disproportionate amount of Islamist speakers, peddling the usual deceptive narrative:

At the heart of Islam’s social conscience is a shared concern for a “just, peaceful and sustainable world.” The Holy Qur’an repeatedly calls on Muslims to provide for the poor; to respect nature's signs, benefits and relationship to humanity; and to come together with diverse peoples to learn from one another.
As many Muslims seek to answer the call to world harmony, the 2009 Parliament aims to hear them. In keeping with our theme of the world’s religions authentically hearing each other, the Parliament Program will break down stereotypes and misunderstandings of Islam.

Dr. Tariq Ramadan will be speaking... he has contributed substantially to the debate on the issues of Muslims in the West and Islamic revival in the Muslim world. Ms. Dalia Mogahed is a member of the Advisory Council for the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Both will help us break down the stereotypes of Muslims and of "the West," and build bridges of understanding.

Muslim women have been working toward a more just and sustainable world since the advent of Islam, but few people are aware of this fact. In this Islam 101 Series session, extraordinary Muslim women leaders from Saudi Arabia, Israel, France and Indonesia will present contemporary and historical examples of this rich history, including a look at Muslim women's contributions to science and technology, peace and conflict resolution, religious education of future leaders and other topics.
 
The Muslim Green: Muslim Contributions to Healing the Earth:

For many Muslims, the color green represents a connection to the beauty and promise of nature -- on Earth and in Paradise. Nearly 800 of the 6,236 verses in the Qur'an reference nature and its relationship to humanity.

Islam and Politics: Faith, Governance and Society: Dr Anwar Ibrahim

What is the role of faith and governance in majority Muslim societies like Malaysia?
What happens if the society is also secular, multi-religious, or highly values religion as having a primary role in nation building? 

Islamic Finance: The Compassionate Approach to Market and Money:

This panel will focus on Islamic finance and microfinance and how they can be utilised to alleviate poverty...and will also address how Islamic finance can contribute to a more just society within both an Australian and an international context.

 Islam and the West: Creating an Accord of Civilisations:

Are Islam and the West hopelessly opposed? Is the current fear of Islam and Muslims solely a result of the violence and religious extremism of a few, or is there something more? What lessons can be learned from the success of Muslims living side by side with non-Muslims in non-Western countries?

The Islam 101 Series highlights critically important issues regarding Islamic beliefs, practice and history that are all too commonly misunderstood.
War and Peace in Al-Islam: The Prophet's Struggle
Women's Rights as Human Rights in Islam
Reverence for the Virgin Mary and Jesus in Islam
Australia's Diverse Cultures and Multifaith Communities: Fethullah Gulen's Vision and Building Bridges Projects
The Challenge of Islamophobia and the Media: How Innovative Dialogue is Changing the   Landscape.
(source)

And surprise! The next Chair of  the PWR will be Abdul Malik Mujahid, imam of the Chicago Muslim community and president of Sound Vision Foundation, which produces Radio Islam, America's Muslim talk show.

Dr Lesher, current Chair, considers Imam Mujahid "marvellously equipped" to serve as the board's highest elected officer.

"He brings to the chair a deep commitment to his own faith tradition... The Imam has an understanding of how religion is a force in American society and also in societies throughout the world."

Imam Mujahid has initiated a joint campaign between American Muslims and the National Organisation of Women to declare rape a war crime. (reference)

All very well, but how can Mujahid declare rape a war crime and still follow Mohammed's excellent example?

Interfaith has been heavily promoted for the last few years, with generous government grants available to those whose activities fit within the multicultural and living in harmony banner. Muslims, together with dhimmi Jews and Christians, have been organising “Abrahamic” conferences, where members of all three faiths get together in an effort to show we share the same ethics. The Muslim members emphasise how they revere Jesus, Moses and all the prophets of the bible, and respect Jews and Christians as “people of the book”, pushing the  false narrative that Islam promotes peace and justice and respects all other religions.


Islam’s real agenda is kept well hidden, and even if it emerges, the dhimmi Jews and Christians are happy to ignore it, all in the interests are harmony of course! So for example, when Al Age showed a picture of Muslims in Turkey waving a banner “Jesus is not son of god. He is a Prophet of Islam”, this did not seem to worry the Christian contingent.

The truth is that, far from respecting them, Islam wants to destroy Judaism and Christianity.
Muslims do not want to interact on an equal basis, but to take over.

Omar Ahmad, founder of CAIR, proclaimed:

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."  (See: Vale Jewish Interfaith)

Despite this, many naïve/opportunistic Christian and Jewish leaders refuse to leave the gravy train, with its lucrative grants and opportunities to travel the speakers’ circuit.

Even when CAIR's links to Hamas, and the Australian Islamic Councils' link to CAIR, became public knowledge, Jewish groups continued doing interfaith with Muslims. (reference)

It seems nothing could dissuade these dogged Jewish dhimmis.

After Operation Cast Lead, when the Israelis finally responded to constant rocket attacks on its citizens by Hamas, any pretense to  moderation by Islamist “interfaith” partners was blown sky high. Naturally,  the Australian Intercultural society, in a letter to their Jewish faith partners, acted the victim:

... the recent military actions of the Israeli Government and the killing of hundreds of innocent women and children and the silence and lack of response and support from those with whom we co-organised numerous interfaith events and projects has very much upset and disappointed us....
The Muslim community of Melbourne has been deeply disturbed, traumatised and saddened by the recent events in Gaza - the disproportionate action and killing of the innocent. Of the 1300 (to date) we know at least 400 to be children, not to mention the innocent men, women and elderly that were also killed. One Muslim resident alone in the Broadmeadows area has lost 11 of her relatives.
Many Jews and important individuals from the communities of the USA , UK and France have openly condemned the disgraceful killing of women and children by the Israeli Armed Forces...the only Jewish community that has not commented on these shameful atrocities is the Australian Jewish community and our Jewish friends with whom we have worked so close together. ..At this stage any statement made by you regarding the killing of innocent people in Gaza will strengthen our hand and we will have an answer for those who criticise us for having close relations with Jewish organisations.

So to restore interfaith relations, Jews must denounce Israel for defending its citizens against jihadis!

FBI dumps CAIR!


The Jewish Community Council of Victoria (JCCV) issued a response:

...Regrettably there is no magic formula for protecting the innocent when confronting those dedicated to Israel’s destruction. This is particularly the case when Hamas (just like Hezbollah, its partner in crime) is prepared to sacrifice its own people on the altar of its ambitions. From hiding weaponry in schools, hospitals and mosques to using civilians as human shields, Hamas’ cynicism, as is becoming daily more apparent, knows no bounds. It is simply a terrible tragedy. (source)

At this point, it should have been clear to blind Freddy that interfaith with Muslims was a sham.

Matters deteriorated further when Ikebal Patel, Chairman of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils (AFIC), called Israel’s actions in Gaza worse than the Holocaust.
Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ) president Robert Goot wrote to him urging moderation:

“The comparison is obscene and contemptible...You merely invite incredulity and ridicule by comparing these events to civilian casualties in Gaza.”  (source)

In February, Jewish-Muslim relations were at breaking point:

JEWISH community leaders look likely to sever ties with Australia’s Muslim community after an Islamic leader stood by his call to compare the war in Gaza with the Holocaust.

Early in January, Ikebal Patel  released a statement that read “the very victims of the Holocaust [are] now perpetrating much worse atrocities against the Palestinians”.

In a letter dated January 27, United Nations International Holocaust Remembrance Day, Patel declined to withdraw the comparison.

Attached to his letter – in which he said it was not AFIC’s intention to diminish the “impact of the Holocaust” – was a photomontage. It contained a series of photos: on the left, Holocaust images, on the right, images assumed to have been taken during the recent war in Gaza.

The letter and photos left the ECAJ outraged.
He also called on him to ensure AFIC’s message is not disseminated at the five Islamic schools that fall under the organisation’s umbrella.

“Neither your selective outrage, nor your completely unacceptable Nazi/Israel atrocities equation, serves the wider purpose of AFIC in the multicultural Australian environment,” Goot said.
(source)

Yet the recent Parliament of World Religions seems to have erased all memory of Islamic hatred for Jews, with the usual dhimmis eagerly promoting this multicultural madness.

How can rabbis and other Jewish leaders ignore the blatantly obvious and continue with this fraudulent interfaith? The usual Jewish suspects were involved in the Parliament of the World’s Religions.  For example, Rabbi Jonathon Keren-Black was part of a multi-faith panel discussing the challenges of climate change.

Bnai Birth are also happy to ignore the obvious. Despite their  credo - “opposing racism and anti-Semitism – Promoting Respect and Justice” - they had no problem holding a Multifaith Future Leaders Programme this year, and their website promoted a Mosque Open Day, put on by the Australian Intercultural Society (AIS) and the Sunshine Mosque, so Melbournians could "take the opportunity to understand Islam with an information session designed to clarify many issues including certain misconceptions regarding Islam."
They are also heavily involved in JCMA (Jewish Christian Muslim Association) .  (reference)

Surely Jews and others must have doubts by now!
But Muslims are quick to reassure the doubtful:

''WHEN Muslims build a mosque, it is because we feel at home. It is not part of Islamisation; it is about belonging.''

With just these two sentences, leading European Muslim Tariq Ramadan bridges the divide between Islamic and Western culture, which the Oxford professor thinks is much more about perceptions than reality.

Real problems exist, he acknowledges, such as marginalisation, discrimination, housing and a climate of fear in which both sides believe they are victims, but the desire to build mosques is one of the indications that integration is working.

''In all Western countries, Muslims are becoming citizens, abiding by the law, learning the language; they are much more visible...We are past integration discourse now. It's about contributing to the future.

Another leading Western Muslim, Feisal Abdul Rauf, is even more optimistic about bridging the supposed gap. ''Within half a generation at most, 10 to 15 years, you will see major, major change in Muslim-majority countries, especially in the Gulf states.''

Rauf says Muslims should recognise that most Western countries are more sharia-compliant than Muslim countries because they provide freedom of worship and the rule of law, and protect human rights.

Dr Ramadan agrees that Muslims in the West are clearly influencing Muslim countries: ''They want development, access to education, freedom, democracy.''

But the very success of integration creates problems. The new visibility creates unease, even fear, in the wider community, which nevertheless needs the migrants for its economic survival, while Muslims face an identity crisis.

He says populist political parties instrumentalise this mistrust. In almost every European country, some topic is exploited: minarets in Switzerland, the burqa in France, homosexuality in the Netherlands, schools in Italy, mosques in Germany, extremism and violence in the US and Australia.

This populism is the real danger of our times, Dr Ramadan says, especially the way they ''Islamise'' problems. When mainstream parties lack social policy, populists can exploit cultural, emotional and religious politics.

The answer, he says, is to ''normalise'' Muslims. The West is home, so they should not focus only on Islamic issues but on politics, culture, art. ''This is what I told young Muslims in Melbourne: they have to be not reactive on Muslim issues but active on everything. Show people you are an added value through your behaviour, ethics, commitment.'' 
(source)

Sadly, we've seen examples of young Muslims "adding value" with their ethics - just ask the victims of gang rapes in Sydney and Melbourne .

So post PWR, are interfaith relations back to normal? Well, not exactly.
In "Faith parliament snub to Jews leaves ‘sour taste’ ":

JEWISH community leaders have expressed disappointment at being excluded from delivering a formal Jewish blessing in the closing ceremony of the Parliament of the World’s Religions.

Final prayers at the closing plenary were delivered by representatives of the Sikh, Buddhist, Christian and Islamic faiths, but Jewish leaders were neglected. There were also presentations by Hare Krishna and Brahma Kumaris leaders.

Josie Lacey, honorary life member of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ) and interfaith chair for the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies, said she found it “inexplicable and incomprehensible” that the Jewish community was not included.
“It was so disappointing that we were left out in the closing plenary, seeing our input at the Parliament was so significant.”

Rabbi Jeremy Lawrence said: “The Jewish blessing was conspicuous in its absence from the program, despite the presence of Jewish clergy at the plenary and substantial Jewish involvement in the Parliament over the week, as both participants and presenters.

“It would be a shame if the goodwill and worthwhile interaction of the Parliament became diminished by this incident, but it does leave a very sour taste.”

Former ECAJ president Nina Bassat said
“I was upset that the Jewish community was excluded. The three Abrahamic faiths should have been represented and only two of them were.” 
(source)

So Muslims will happily use Jews, then dispose of them at will. There is no equality and no respect.
When will these dhimmis ever wake up and realise that ISLAM HATES JEWS?

Yet more evidence of this was seen at a recent pro-Palestinian protest at the Park Hyatt Hotel where the Australia-Israel Forum was taking place:

The Jewish Community Council of Victoria called on Muslim leaders to condemn protests that degenerated into racial chaos, where Jewish community leaders had been identified by some of the protesters, who had initiated chants to “go get him”.

According to a 2009 Antisemitism Report, there has been an unprecedented increase in antisemitic incidents against Jews in Australia. The rate of anti-Jewish violence, vandalism, harassment and intimidation is close to three times the average of the previous nineteen years. JCCV president John Searle stated: “In this context, it was extremely distressing to witness the level of antisemitic violence and abuse displayed by many demonstrators outside the Australia-Israel Leadership Forum dinner . Guests attending the dinner had to run the gauntlet of some two hundred demonstrators whose armoury included calls of “Bloody Jews” and throwing projectiles at guests. He added that it was all the more disturbing as the demonstration was endorsed by a number of organisations including Students for Palestine, Australians for Palestine, Palestine Solidarity Committee, the Federation of Australian Muslim Students and Youth and most significantly the Islamic Council of Victoria, the peak body of Victoria’s Muslim bodies.

“It is not the first time that here in Victoria, local rallies against Israel have crossed the boundary from legitimate protest to overtly racist behaviour. In January one protest in Melbourne against Operation Cast Lead included posters indicating that Jews “needed” another Holocaust.  Again, that protest was endorsed and organised by a range of organisations, including Islamic and Palestinian representative bodies.”

“Despite my recent calls to the Islamic leadership to condemn aggressive, violent and abusive antisemitic actions, they have failed to do so. The time has come for them to speak out unambiguously against racism and vilification. Failure to do so is tantamount to condoning racism, abuse and vilification.
 
It is ironic that this particular incident took place while Victoria is hosting the Parliament of World Religions, a program specifically designed to unite religions and foster harmony – values which we in the local Jewish community hold firm.

The ugly behaviour displayed by demonstrators inevitably tarnishes the name of Muslims. We look to the members of the Muslim community, its leaders in particular, to join us in condemning violence and promoting harmony. “
(source)

Well, I hate to tell members of the Jewish community, but you are, and always were, the prime target of Islam. If you don't believe me, read “Kill A Jew – Go To Heaven”
A Study of the Palestinian Authority’s Promotion of Genocide by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook.

I will just quote a few bits, but urge everyone to read the whole report:

The findings were the Palestinian Authority (PA) teaches an ideology of virulent hatred of Jews and Israel that mandates the killing of Jews solely because they are Jews. The murder of Jews is presented not only as beneficial to Muslims and Arabs, but as necessary for all humankind.

“The Hour [of Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them. The Muslims will kill the Jews, rejoice!”

Sheikh Ibrahim Mudayris, Head of Association for Memorizing the Quran, PA Ministry of Endowments & Religious Affairs, PA TV, September 10, 2004

Islamic tradition attributed to Muhammad:

“The Hour [of Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!”

Sahih Muslim, vol. 4, pp. 2238-2239, no. 2921-2

Sahih Bukhari, vol. 3, p. 1070, no. 276, and p. 1316, no. 3398

Sahih Ibn Hibban, vol. 15, p. 217, no. 6806 and others

Dozens of times in recent years, Palestinian religious leaders and academics have taught publicly that this genocidal Hadith, articulated more than a thousand years ago, applies today and is a religious obligation:

History keeps reminding us, as it did again on September 11, 2001, that unchecked evil ideology will lead to heinous crimes against humanity. It was a common error before the Second World War for people to minimize Nazi hatred, dismissing it as rhetoric or propaganda. Six million Jews and tens of millions of others paid with their lives because the world couldn’t bring itself to believe that a nation that openly embraced the idea of state murder would put this concept into practice.

 In explaining the civilized world’s inability to recognize the danger of Nazism, Justice Robert H. Jackson, Chief US Counsel to the Nuremberg Trials, wrote:

“We must not forget that when the Nazi plans were boldly proclaimed, they were so extravagant that the world refused to take them seriously.”1

Now it is the Palestinian Authority leaders who boldly and extravagantly proclaim their plans, elevating their call to genocide to the will of Allah. Let the world not make the same mistake again.
(source)

Once the Jews are eliminated, Islam will come for Christians - "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people."

Nobody is safe under Islam - we are all infidels.

We must no longer appease Muslims under the guise of interfaith.

They are merely emboldened to spread their violent ideology.

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Australians celebrate and revere Anzac Day on April 25th each year in remembrance of our brave soldiers who fought in two great world wars to secure our freedom. Every Australian identifies with the slogan “lest we forget” and in services held around the country people reflect on the battles and men who died to secure our freedom. Yet across the world in France, there is one remarkable battle which helped form the Europe we know today and allowed the development of civilization based on Judeo Christian principles. This one famous battle has become known as the battle of Tours and effectively stopped the Muslim advance into Europe. After the death of Mohammed in 632AD, Muslim armies exploded out of the Arabian peninsula to conquer much of the Middle East, expanding across north Africa. From there they crossed into Spain in 711AD and eventually controlled much of al-Andalus by 715AD. It was the victory at Tours by Charles Martel that stemmed the tide and eventually the Muslim marauders were expelled from Spain in 1492 when the last outpost at Granada fell to King Ferdinand of Spain. 

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The Battle of Broken Hill

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The First Islamic Terrorist Attack on Australian Soil
 
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Jihad Galore and the Toledo Whore

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Decisive Victory for the West

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Did Prophet Muhammad order Killing Surrendered Jews of Banu Quraiza and Khaybar?  A historical Analysis

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What Mecca?

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A great tragedy of the Islamic control of our universities and political correctness plus the fear of extreme violence if anyone dares question the roots and claims of Islam is ...that nobody dares question the roots and claims of Islam!!!  I want to stimulate interest and offer this summary of information on Mecca from (LINK) which discusses some problems with Muslim claims in a comparison of evidence supporting Islam/Christianity. 

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