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Mohammad Demands Stoning:

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Preparing for stoningNow that the film “The Stoning of Soraya. M”  is about to be seen (R.I.P Soraya by Tracey Hilton, 29/6/09 this site) expect the usual screams from Muslims that stoning isn’t in the Koran but is in the Bible (Old Testament) and that it’s ‘just cultural.’   Muslims rely on our gullibility, our ignorance of Islam and pro-Islamic media outlets  to hide the fact that their hadiths, the example of Mohammad and sharia law  (based on hadith/sunna ) are full of stoning. 
 
Even Islamic text tells us that there were stoning verses in the Koran that supposedly got lost (eaten by goat?  see “The Quran and Hadith:  Which is more authentic”   by Mumin Salih 30/6/09) but frankly, who cares?  The Koran is tiny but the almost equally important hadith are huge and full of Mohammad’s fine example and indeed the instructions that Muslims must follow to be Muslim – eg the 5 prayers, washing rituals, Hajj ceremonies, ...how to wipe your bottom or pee like Mohammad etc!   Without the lovely hadith and sira Islam doesn’t exist and the Koran becomes what it is - a nasty mess of paganism, plagiarism, perversion, misogyny, racism, sadism, hatred, violence, slavery, punishment, pillage and rape!
 
The Sahih Sittah or 6 reliable hadith collections of Mohammad’s fine example and that of his companions are  Bukhari and Muslim (most authentic and reliable) plus Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi,  Ibn Maja, and An-Nasai, all compiled in the 9th or 10th century.   Also highly regarded is Malik’s Muwatta (8th century) as Malik lived closest in time to Mohammad (born over 80 years after Mohammad died). (2p26)     As for the Koran, there is considerable doubt regarding its creation as there are no Korans from the 7th century (Mohammad died in 632) and the Sana (Yemen) fragments which date to 705-715 (early eighth century) show considerable variability so there was no set text.
 
(see also  Sujit Das ‘Divine Downfall’   20/6/09 this site)

 

Text tells us Mohammad abused the Jews because they didn’t stone adulterers.   Mohammad demanded that stoning be carried out and stoned several people to death including a woman who had just delivered a baby.   
This is in stark contrast to Jesus in the bible who, hundreds of years earlier, when an adulteress was brought to him said only those without sin could throw the first stone  so the people melted away until only Jesus was left with the woman.   Jesus asked where were the accusers, had no-one condemned her?  And he said to the woman  “Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more.”    Christians regard Jesus as sin free so theoretically he could have stoned the woman but he chose not to condemn and freed the woman.   Bible:  John ch 8 verses 1-11, particularly 7 and 11.   There is no stoning in Christianity which predates Islam by hundreds of years.
It should also be noted that Rabbinic Judaism eradicated stoning (1).  The Jewish state of Israel does NOT have stoning.

Mohammad’s fine actions and words on stoning became sharia law - allah’s law.

All 4 schools of sharia law prescribe stoning for adultery.  Indeed stoning someone to death is supposedly a cleansing for their sin ie punishment, not forgiveness (eg Abu Dawud book 38  No. 4414 ‘He said: I want you to purify me. So he (Mohammad) gave orders regarding him and he was stoned to death’. ) – this is Islam’s compassion, humanity, forgiveness and justice.

Stoning continues in the Islamic world today and cannot be stopped for it is one of Mohammad’s prescribed punishments and he is the messenger of allah.

Remember., sharia means ‘the way’  for the Muslim community to live and Mohammad’s example shows the way.  
The Koran tells Muslims that Mohammad has  “sublime morals” (68.40; is “a good example to follow”  (33.21); “a mercy”  (21.107);  and “a most honourable Messenger”  (81.19)

Muslims are also told to adhere to what allah and Mohammad have decreed- (Koran 33.36).  Prescribed penalties must be imposed:

***Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4362:Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: Forgive the people of good qualities their slips, but not faults to which prescribed penalties apply.
 
Stoning Scenes

1) Mohammad abuses the Jews:  demands stoning according to allah’s divine verse of the Rajam (stoning):
M ohammad accused the Jews of corrupting their religion and failing to follow the Torah when he discovered that they nolonger stoned people for adultery.   Several koranic verses attack the Jews for supposedly neglecting what allah had revealed – because the Torah is supposed to be allah’s words too! (eg Koran 5.42-45).

***Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:  (repeated in Bukhari Vol 9, Book 93, No. 633)
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:      A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.


*Muslim Book 17, Number 4214
gives a lengthy and detailed version of the above story including reference to the koranic text (verses 5. 41-45) claiming the Jews perverted and hid their true text;

“ And they who do not judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed are, indeed, deniers of the truth" and “wrong doers” (Koran verse 44, 45).  But Mohammad stated  -O Allah, I am the first to revive Thy command when they had made it dead.   He then commanded and he (the offender) was stoned to death

The story is repeated in  many hadith collections eg *Abu Dawud book 38 No.s 4433,  4434,  4435; *Maliks Soning of AswadMuwatta book 41 No. 41.1.1 along with plenty of other examples of stoning and other punishments eg flogging, amputation!

2)  Mohammad punishes ‘Illegal sexual intercourse’ by stoning:
Pre or post pubescent females can only have sex with their husband but men can have sex with their many wives, concubines/slaves that their right hand possesses.  

***Muslim hadith book 17  No.  4216
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported that Allah's apostle (may peace be upon him) stoned (to death) a person from Banu Aslam and a Jew and his wife.

***Muslim hadith book 17 No. 4218
Abu Ishaq Shaibani said: 'I asked 'Abdullah b. Abu Aufi if Allah's messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded (the punishment) of stoning (to death)' .  He said 'yes'.  ...

***Bukhari Volume 3, Book 38, Number 508: Narrated Zaid bin Khalid and Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "O Unais! Go to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse), then stone her to death."

***Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 808: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The boy is for (the owner of) the bed and the stone is for the person who commits illegal sexual intercourse.'


Repeated in *Bukhari vol 8 book 82 No. 807.

***Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4429: Narrated Abu Bakrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) had a woman stoned and a pit was dug up to her breasts.

Abu Dawud book 38 is full of stoning –No’s 4364,4407, 4412, 4413, 4414,  4420,  4424, 4426, 4429, 4433, 4434, 4435, 4439 , in 4421 (a young man regarded as good admits fathering a baby so Mohammad commands he be stoned to death and he is put in a pit and stoned).    You can also read of Mohammad’s instructions to behead someone who married their father’s wife (4441, 4442);   amputations;   the murder of females who insulted Mohammad while no recompense was required for their deaths (4348 –killed wife, 4349 -killed Jewess) and  Mohammad flogging his slaves (4458).   Mohammad had ‘drinkers’ flogged, beaten or possibly killed (4465,  4466,  4467,  4469,  4470,  4472,  4473,  4474)  and he amputated the  limbs,  put out the eyes (using hot nails) and left some men to die because they left Islam and stole some camels (4356, 4357- also in other hadiths) - es it’s a real hoot!  

Even women just delivered of babies were stoned under Mohammad's instructions:

***Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4426:  Narrated Imran ibn Husayn:
A woman belonging to the tribe of Juhaynah (according to the version of Aban) came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said that she had committed fornication and that she was pregnant. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) called her guardian.
Then the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said to him: Be good to her, and when she bears a child, bring her (to me). When she gave birth to the child, he brought her (to him). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) gave orders regarding her, and her clothes were tied to her. He then commanded regarding her and she was stoned to death. He commanded the people (to pray) and they prayed over her….


Repeated in  Maliks Muwatta book 41 (section on stoning), No. 41.1.5

 

Sharia justice in Iran (Warning - very graphic video)

Married Women are stoned, single men are flogged:

 

***Bukhari Volume 3, Book 50, Number 885:   Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani:
A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's apostle! I ask you by Allah to judge My case according to Allah's Laws." His opponent, who was more learned than he, said, "Yes, judge between us according to Allah's Laws, and allow me to speak." Allah's Apostle said, "Speak." He (i .e. the bedouin or the other man) said, "My son was working as a laborer for this (man) and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that it was obligatory that my son should be stoned to death, so in lieu of that I ransomed my son by paying one hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious scholars about it, and they informed me that my son must be lashed one hundred lashes, and be exiled for one year, and the wife of this (man) must be stoned to death." Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Laws. The slave-girl and the sheep are to be returned to you, your son is to receive a hundred lashes and be exiled for one year. You, Unais, go to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses her guilt, stone her to death." Unais went to that woman next morning and she confessed. Allah's Apostle ordered that she be stoned to death.


The tale is repeated in other hadiths eg Maliks Muwatta book 41, No. 41.1.6.

In  some hadiths unmarried ‘fornicators’ are flogged but married ‘adulterers’ are stoned to death but others simply prescribe stoning for ‘illegal sexual intercourse.’  Laws (see below) give flogging to those who don’t have the capacity to be chaste but stoning for those that do.    As women are regarded as the tempters of men, full of guile and immorality (Koran 12.22-34), who come and go as devils according to Mohammad ( *Muslim book 8 No. 3240) and are evil omens, crooked, evil like Eve ( masses of hadiths), and their word cannot convict a man, it is easy to see why most people stoned are women.  Indeed raped Muslim females are stoned, hung, executed and ‘honour killed.’

Unmarried:

***Bukhari vol 8, Book 82, Number 818: Narrated Zaid bin Khalid Al-Jihani:
I heard the Prophet ordering that an unmarried person guilty of illegal sexual intercourse be flogged one-hundred stripes and be exiled for one year. Umar bin Al-Khattab also exiled such a person, and this tradition is still valid.


Repeated in *Bukhari vol 8, Book 82, Number 819: Narrated Abu Huraira:

Married:

***Bukhari vol 8, Book 82, Number 805: Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah Al-Ansari:
A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle and Informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and bore witness four times against himself. Allah's Apostle ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married Person.


This is repeated in *Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 806: Narrated Abu Huraira (who participated in the stoning), also *Bukhari vol 8, Book 82, Number 810: Narrated by Jabir and Maliks Muwatta book 41, Nos 41.1.2,  41.1.4.   Tirmidhi No. 1010  describes the man as a fornicator, stoned to death (AlimCD Rom)   and others.

 

Stoning of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow
Stoning of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow on 27-10-2008 in in the southern city of Kismayo, Somalia.

Stoning or killing of a Muslim is allowed under 3 conditions: (frequently quoted):

 

***Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4339: Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed.


3)  Koran:  Missing stoning text.
In Mohammad’s first biography, The Sirat Rasul’allah, by Ibn Ishaq,  p 684 records a speech by Umar following Mohammad’s death:

“God sent Mohammad and sent down the scripture to him.  Part of what he sent down was the passage on stoning;  we read it, we were taught it, and we heeded it.  The apostle stoned  (adulterers) and we stoned them after him.  I fear that in time to come men will say they find no mention of stoning in god’s book and thereby go astray by neglecting the ordinance which god has sent down.  Verily stoning in the book of god is a penalty laid on married men and women who commit adultery, if proof stands or pregnancy is clear or confession is made.”

The discussion under this text suggests the missing verse might have been “if an adult man or woman  commit adultery, stone them without exception as a punishment from god.  God is mighty and wise.”    Umar is regarded as a most truthful man.   Muslim authorities believe such a verse existed and hadiths support the claim.

***Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816: Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:   'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."


Bukhari vol 8 book 82 No 817 gives the long, full tale incorporating claims that allah sent Mohammad with the truth including the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of  a married person [male & female] who commits illegal sexual intercourse), and the fact that they recited, understood and memorized the verse and that Mohammad carried out stoning plus the claim that people would say they didn’t find the verse in allah’s book and would go astray by ignoring an obligation demanded by allah.

Maliks Muwatta also notes that stoning is in the Book of allah (see book 41  No. 41.1.8 and 41.1.10)

According to Aisha, Mohammad’s child bride, she kept the stoning verses under her bed but they were eaten by a goat (Ibn  Maja 1944 Musnad Ahmed 25784 ‘Arabic’ cited in the ‘Quran and hadith:  which is more authentic’ by Mumin Salih 30/6/09 this site)

 

Bring on sharia
Sharia courts has already been  established in UK. Anjem Choudary  (centre) - All homosexuals should be stoned to death : 'If a man likes another man, it can happen, but if you go on to fulfil your desire, if it is proved, then there is a punishment to follow. You don't stone to death unless there are four eyewitnesses. It is a very stringent procedure.

Who knows when today’s ‘koran’ (reading) actually came into being!

For the offence of 'zina' - adultery/fornication (intercourse outside marriage) women are punished by being immured:

 

***Koran 4.15 If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of 4 witnesses from amongst you, and if these bear witness, then keep the women in houses until death releases them, or god shall make for them a way.  

***Koran sura 24. 2 (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement...


Some hadith distinguish between unmarried and married as the unmarried who engage in illegal sex are flogged and possibly exiled while the married are stoned to death! (see above)

4) Stoning is prescribed for other acts as well:
Sodomy: - if you are NOT married???

***Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4448: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.


Maliks Muwatta prescribes stoning for sodomy (Book 41 No. 41.1.11)

5)   Sharia  - 'the way’ demands stoning:
Reliance of the Traveller:   Law o12.0   p 610  The Penalty for fornication or sodomy:
*Law  o12.1 the legal penalty is obligatorily imposed upon anyone who fornicates or commits sodomy..

*Law  o12.2   If the offender is someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then he or she is stoned to death.   (the text makes exceptions for someone prepubescent at the time of marital intercourse, or who is insane...)


If the offender is not someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then the penalty consists of being scourged one hundred stripes and banished to a distance of at least 81 km/50 miles for one year.

*Law o 12.6  p  611  If the penalty is stoning, the offender is stoned even in severe heat or cold, and even if he has an illness from which he is expected to recover.  A pregnant woman is not stoned until she gives birth and the child can suffice with the milk of another.
*Law  o4.17 p 593 states there is no indemnity for killing someone sentenced to stoning and  law o5.4  p 593 states there is no expiation for killing a convicted married adulterer.

 

From the Horse's mounth
Directly from the horse's mouth (click HERE or  on the graphic above)

Conclusion:
Clearly Muslims must stone those guilty of ‘illegal sexual intercourse’ for they must follow the perfect example of Mohammad and NOT the ‘corrupt’ example of the Jews who did NOT stone adulterers/fornicators!

Any rational, humane person with even a vague respect for human rights cannot condone sharia yet it is increasingly implemented throughout the Islamic world as Islam ‘revives’ AND it is implemented in the west eg Britain.  When will Britain sit back and allow the first stoning under sharia in Britain?  After all, there is child marriage, polygamy for men (British taxpayers support the multiple wives and children), beating wives and ploughing them like fields, restricting females to the home and covering them head-to-toe.....all now OK in PC, multicultural Britain.

In the supposedly moderate Muslim country Indonesia, Islam progresses and remnants of past ‘moderating’ Buddhism and Hinduism are destroyed.   The Indonesian Survey Institute found in 2006 that 58 % of Indonesians believe adulterers should be stoned, up from 39 % in 2001  (1 p 154).  

Our ideal of human rights and freedom cannot be perverted to allow the horror of Islam.  Calling an ideology a ‘religion’ doesn’t make it good, moral, worthy of respect, or tolerable in civilised society.  

In 1999 John Garang, the Sudanese chairman of the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement, posed the following question to a press conference in Geneva: 

 

“I ask this very important question:  is the jihad a religious right of those who declare and wage it, or is it a violation of the human rights of the people against whom it is declared and waged?”

Dr Durie asks, “Is the implementation of Islamic Sharia law a religious right, because it arises from a faith community’s desire to live out the principles of their religion? Or does the Islamic sharia deprive human beings of fundamental human rights? (both quotes from 1 p 153 -154)

For me the answer is obvious but the UN now regards criticism of  human rights abusing Islam as a ‘human rights abuse!!!’  In Victoria Australia you can be prosecuted for ‘offending’ a Muslim regardless of the fact that they offend and threaten others.   Australia’s Attorney General wants our language altered to hide the connection between jihad/terrorism/Islam etc indicating the ‘influence’ particularly of Labor politicians by Islam (Age 7/7/09 p 4).  Islam itself, its teachings, aims and laws are the greatest threat we face but we can’t talk about it.  How do you defeat a ‘religious’enemy you can’t name?  Sharia is already being imposed in Australia and throughout Europe.  This is jihad, Muslims and their enablers working in every way to destroy our society and replace it with Islam whose ‘way’ is sharia.



References:

1) Durie, Mark.  Case Study Amina Lawal and the Islamic sharia p148-154 in  Islam:  Human rights and Public Policy edited David claydon.  Acorn Press australia 2009.

2) Spencer, Robert.   The Truth about Mohammad  Regnery Publishing, inc. Washington.  2006.

Text and laws
3)  The Koran and many hadiths
4)  Reliance of the Traveller:  A classic manual of Islamic sacred law.  Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib.   In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller.  Amana publications  Maryland USA 1994

5)  Sirat Rusulallah by Ibn Ishaq  Translated by A. Guillaume. Fifteenth Impression, 2001 Published by Oxford University Press, Karachi, Pakistan.

6)  Tirmidhi  ALIM CD Rom  which must be purchased on line.   Note that although the Bukhari hadith collection on the CD is very similar to the on the USC site, this is not the case for other collections where verse numbers are altered.  Also the USC site lacks hadiths even in the collections it offers.

 

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Did Prophet Muhammad order Killing Surrendered Jews of Banu Quraiza and Khaybar?  A historical Analysis

In the post 9/11 era of this modern-world, Islamists around the globe are busy with ‘damage control utopia’ in order to correct the image of religion Islam. We all know that the nucleus of Islam are: Quran, Hadiths (Sunnah) supported by Islamic histories and biographies recorded by various famous Islamic scholars and historians.

What Mecca?

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History - Early History

A great tragedy of the Islamic control of our universities and political correctness plus the fear of extreme violence if anyone dares question the roots and claims of Islam is ...that nobody dares question the roots and claims of Islam!!!  I want to stimulate interest and offer this summary of information on Mecca from (LINK) which discusses some problems with Muslim claims in a comparison of evidence supporting Islam/Christianity. 

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Yahweh or Hubal

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FlagThere is a very strongly entrenched view among majority of Westerners today that the three main monotheistic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam share one common God and therefore despite the obvious differences, the core foundation of these three religions is the same. 

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