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No compulsion in religion - Part B

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Submit or else! The ‘there is no compulsion in religion lie’: 

Part B  Abrogation. 

Part A showed that the text-

Koran 2.256    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

- Itis NOT a statement of religious freedom, equality or tolerance.  (please refer to earlier article).   More importantly, it has been completely abrogated –over-ruled- by later violent text.  
 

 

Muslims fool trusting, gullible westerners by quoting the very few less vicious ‘Meccan’ or early Medina verses while omitting to mention that these verses nolonger have any relevance!!     Likewise cries of  ‘oh it’s not in the koran’ are made while concealing the fact that it’s stated many times in the almost equally important ahadith which contain vital information for the life of  muslims, and are a basis for many laws! (eg stoning, detail on killing apostates, clitoridectomy etc!!)
Abdul Raham
While all religious text contains contradictions, the koran takes this to new heights requiring a Law of Abrogation - One wonders why ‘allah’ couldn’t make up his mind, creating such confusion!  Yes allah had the power to ‘abrogate’ but so does man and how much more convenient to do so!      
Koran 2.106  None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
Koran 16.101 When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals,  they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.  

Abrogation is so important muslims call it a ‘science’-- "Nasikh wa Mansukh", i.e.: "the Abrogators and the Abrogated".   
The revered work "al-Nasikh wal-Mansukh" (The Abrogator and the Abrogated) examines koranic conflicts and contradictions in great detail.  For every sura, every verse that has been cancelled is noted along with the verse that replaces it!  The author notes that out of 114 suras, there are only 43 which were not affected!!  

Champa Rani Simply put, the Law of Abrogation states that later written text over-rules earlier written text.  But, as the koran has no ‘chronology’ (ordered starting with long suras to short ones!!!) which text over-rules which?   Even muslims don’t agree on the order.  I have 11 different ‘orders’ and provide this one only as a guide to the last written so-called ‘Medina’ text:
 
Suras 2, 8, 3, 33, 60, 4, 99, 57, 47, 13, 55, 76, 65, 98, 59, 110, 24, 22, 63, 58, 49, 66, 62, 64, 61, 48, 5, 9.  Some have 5 last.   Suras 2?, 8, 33, 4, 47, 22, 61, 5, 9, are particularly vicious but lies, hatred and threats to others abound throughout!  Even within this claimed ‘order’, many verses are considered ‘out-of-order’ or artificially added ie it’s a complete mess!  
 
Even within a chapter/sura a numerically earlier verse eg 2.234 abrogates a numerically later verse eg 2.240!!!  Sura 16.67 and 16.69 praise the fruits of palms and grapes from which you obtain intoxicating drinks, goodly provision and healing –a sign for all people to ponder.  Yet suras 2.219 and 5.90 tell muslims to leave drinking aside or only spend their excess money on drinking and gambling (note not made haram!)  and these over-rule sura 16!

But, more importantly, verses of violence over-rule verses of supposed ‘tolerance’!   The order is based on Sira eg Ibn Hisham’s (early 9th century) version of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah - the first biography of mohammad (‘lost’),  written around 750 (mohammad died in 632!).   Is it all fake?    Well don’t expect anyone from our islam controlled university islamic departments to dare to challenge accepted Islamic ‘historical’ dogma!

Violence rules:  Why doesn’t sura 9 start with the usual bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim, "in the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful"?  
 
A valued 15th century commentary, Tafsir al-Jalalayn by imams Jalal al-Din Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Mahalli (1389-1459) and Jalal al-Din ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Abi Bakr al-Suyuti (1445-1505) suggests the invocation “is security, and [Sura 9] was sent down when security was removed by the sword.”
 
 
Zoroastrian in Iran

Influential commentator Ibn Kathir (1301-1372) quotes an earlier authority, Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim, to establish that the Verse of the Sword, sura 9:5 ("slay the unbelievers wherever you find them") “abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolater, every treaty, and every term.” He adds from another authority: “No idolater had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara’ah was revealed.” Commentator Ibn Juzayy (d. 1340) agrees that one of this verse’s functions is “abrogating every peace treaty in the koran.”  

The Medina text has violent jihad as its central theme, over-ruling so-called ‘tolerance’ verses eg:
Koran sura 43.88-89 (Meccan)     (Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"    But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" But soon shall they know!
Ibn Kathir’s commentary on 43.88-89 (Meccan) states mohammad should try to soften their hearts but notes ‘they will come to know’ is a warning from allah that his punishment is coming.  Jihad was prescribed and islam spread!
 
Convert to Islam or Die 


As muslims became powerful they were ordered to fight against all (offensive) to impose islam and abrogation makes this the most important command for all muslims!   This view is espoused by early commentators to the present day. (see Spencer for detail)

Syrian-German muslim ‘reformist’ Bassam Tibi writes in "War and Peace in Islam"( In Ethics of War and Peace, ed. Terry Nardin, 128-145. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1996.)    
At its core, Islam is a religious mission to all humanity. Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world. "We have sent you forth to all mankind" (Q. 34:28). If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (da’wa) can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. In Islam, peace requires that non-Muslims submit to the call of Islam, either by converting or by accepting the status of a religious minority (dhimmi) and paying the imposed poll tax, jizya. World peace, the final stage of the da’wa, is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam…Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Qur’anic command to spread Islam as a way to peace. The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur’an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da’wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da’wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them. Only when Muslim power is weak is ‘temporary truce’ (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists differ on the definition of ‘temporary’).
Convert or Die

Islamic law legitimates jihad:  Reliance of the Traveller  o9.0 p 599
"Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word "mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion. ....
The Law notes supporting text, the obligatory nature of  (violent) jihad, enslavement of women and children, cutting down the enemies trees and destroying their buildings etc….don’t call for peace if you are uppermost, …a free male Muslim who has reached puberty is entitled to personal booty and a share collective booty if he took part in the battle to the end…a token payment may be given at the leaders discretion to women, children, non-muslims fighting on the muslims side…goes on to list laws for dhimmis…etc

Poor muslims have no choice but to follow their last written text and violently force islam onto everyone!  We cause the violence by daring to resist this evil but there’s no compulsion ---this will sell well with stupid academics, politicians, journalists and religious leaders who never blame islam!  Islamic ‘peace’ isn’t my idea of ‘peace!’


References:
Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib;  Reliance of the Traveler:  A classic manual of Islamic sacred law.   In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller  amana publications  Maryland USA 1994
Robert Spencer :  1 Oct 06   details abrogation and jihad.
Sirat Rusulallah by Ibn Ishaq  Translated by A. Guillaume. Fifteenth Impression, 2001 Published by Oxford University Press, Karachi, Pakistan. ).
Most text available HERE  (for hadiths) and HERE  (for Koran)  Note verse numbers can vary within translations.  
Many 'English' versions are very 'sanitised' or 'mistranslated'.- also in Reliance of the Traveller!
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