Once again Britain’s Channel 4 filmed a London mosque – Regents Park mosque, the most important in Britain - and discovered nasty teaching in the women’s section. Once again we get the claim that this isn’t Islam! While the exposure is welcome, this subtext, soft sell of a false ‘nice’ Islam is NOT.
We are fed the lie that all nastiness is due to Saudi influence, not ISLAM.
Some teaching:
It’s suggested you don’t carry this out till there’s an Islamic state:
What should be done to a Muslim who converts to another faith? "We kill him," she says, "kill him, kill, kill…You have to kill him, you understand?"
Adulterers, she says, are to be stoned to death - and as for homosexuals, and women who "make themselves like a man, a woman like a man ... the punishment is kill, kill them, throw them from the highest place".
The punishment is kill, kill them, throw them from the highest place.
A young female student from the group interrupts her: the punishment should also be to stone the homosexuals to death, once they have been thrown from a high place.
Under Islamic law, sodomisers are killed and lesbianism is adultery (*Reliance-Law p17.3). Adulterers are stoned (o12.0-6) with no expiation for anyone killing a convicted adulterer (o5.4). Ideally the caliph kills apostates but there is no punishment, consequence, indemnity or retaliation if someone else kills the apostate (f1.3, o8.4, o4.17, o1.3)
And WOMEN -"totally justified by Islamic texts" says a preacher.
It is reiterated that British Muslim women cannot travel far without a male guardian, cannot mix with men, and have to remain fully covered up at all times.
There were also restrictions on education or work opportunities. One woman, who works for the NHS, was told she should leave her job as it meant mixing with men and not wearing a full Islamic garment.
"You know that working in an environment that is not Islamic, working with the kuffaar, all this takes you away from the religion and hardens your heart and it would be lying to you if I say it's OK,
"You see Muslims in every sphere of everyday life in this country, I see Muslims, it breaks my heart when I see them working in banks, short sleeves, tight scarf like this, make-up, being with the kuffaar all the time, even speaking their language," she said.
The reporter notes that this is taught to teenage British girls (who find it attractive), even young children in a 
mosque heavily involved in interfaith (HA, HA). Later, DVD’s stating women are inferior and controlled by men are noted.
But these and many other restrictions, including marrying females off without their consent is part of Islam! Laws forbid women from travelling alone (particularly beyond a short distance) (*Reliance m10.3 and w52.1 (100)). Many laws forbid women leaving the house uncovered/without permission, being alone with a male, looking at males.. (*Reliance m2.3 p 512, m10.4, 10.4).
A guardian (ie father) can marry off his prepubescent daughter (even a baby) without her permission eg (*Reliance- marriage without the female’s consent- m3.13; marry off a pre-pubescent daughter- m8.2 and *Hedaya Vol. I Book III, page 71 (Ref. 6). Muslim hadith chapter 10: ‘It is permissible for the father to give the hand of his daughter in marriage even when she is not fully grown up’ eg Muslim Book 8 Nos 3309, 3310, 3311) and this continues across the Islamic world and into the west TODAY!
Mohammad said women were inferior and populated hell (*Bukhari Vol. 1, Book 6, Number 301; *Muslim Book 1, Number 142). Masses of text/laws abuse and subjugate females.
She claims the women’s circle teaches against terrorism (puts westerners off) and doesn’t incite to disobey British law, but does teach SEGREGATION FROM KAFFIRS/DISBELIEVERS.
"Islam is keeping away from disbelief and from the disbelievers, the people who disbelieve.
"loyalty is only to the Muslim, not to the kaffir [disbeliever]".
"It's part of Islam, of the correct belief, that you love those who love Allah and that you hate those who hate Allah."
*Koran 60.4 is read in the video as an example for Muslims - “between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone.”
Disbelievers cannot be friends - Koran 3.28, 4.89, 4.144, 5.51, 5.56-64, 58.22-eg *Koran 4.144 O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves
OR *Koran 5.51 "O Believers! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends and helpers. They are but friends to one another. And if any among you takes them as friends and allies, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers"
OR *Koran 9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. And it gets worse!!
One preacher taught:
“It is not befitting for Muslims that he should reside in the land of evil, the land of the kuffaar, the land of the disbelievers." -(later modified to recommended but not obligatory to leave—DAMN!)
And:
"Some conditions can take you into disbelief, to take the British citizenship, whether you like it or not, for these people, you are selling your religion, it's a very serious thing, it is not allowed to give allegiance to other than Allah."
Imagine!! No Muslims living in our great country or taking citizenship when they aim for our destruction and a totalitarian Islamic state.
The mosque is big on INTERFAITH visits from government, civil service, religious groups, school children. She notes the ‘civilised exchange’ plus dawa to visiting children/interfaith groups AND the abuse of other religions when they leave!!
One preacher said of Christians praying in a church: "What are these people doing in there, these things are so vile, what they say with their tongues is so vile and disgusting, it's an abomination."
As for the concept of interfaith live-and-let-live: "This is false. It does not work. This concept is a lie, it is fake, and it is a farce."
Wow, talk about a revelation! You mean INTERFAITH is just a FAKE – a chance for Islamic dawa?
The reporter is invited to private sessions in houses around London. Mosques, prayer halls, Koran classes have long been sites to detect ‘susceptible’ people and channel them to private sessions to learn the joys of Islam and jihad (Australia06)
I suspect with this latest exposure ‘private sessions’ will be even more popular!
British compliance:
We learn that the dhimmi British government is good buddies with the Saudis and wants Muslims integrated into the workforce. We all know this means favouring Muslims and Islamization so everything suits Muslim fetishes. Forget equality and the freedom and rights of others! And like Victoria, they have laws that forbid any criticism of this religio-political ideology that’s worse than Nazism!
Some excuses:
Women's section preachers are accused of taking their theology directly from Saudi Arabia. (No, actually they took it straight from Islamic text!!).
Following exposure for teaching violence and intolerance (2007), Regent's Park Mosque supposedly urged mosques to be "vigilant" re teachings. Do they really mean ‘be vigilant and check that those entering are true Muslims so you don’t get caught teaching the real intolerant Islam!’
Dr Ahmed Al Dubayan, mosque director and Saudi diplomat makes many excuses -- ‘that’s not our view,’ the teacher isn’t ‘authorised.’ Naturally, they are committed to interfaith (dawa) and cross-cultural understanding AND don’t support or condone extreme views, racial hatred, violence or intolerance.
Does anyone fall for this taqiyya? They ARE teaching Islam remember! Words mean different things to Muslims- eg ‘extreme’ versus ordinary Islamic text? Cross-cultural understanding or tolerance doesn’t mean according others equality, freedom, safety – they ‘understand’ and aim to obliterate or ‘tolerate’ under repressive dhimmitude laws!
The same intolerant and violent DVD’s revealed in Under Cover Mosque 2007 remain in the bookshop eg some ‘understanding’ -disbelievers are "evil, wicked, mischievous people... they do the most evil, filthy things"; men are in charge of women and should control them; plus hatred of Jews and the deterrent effects of sharia’s amputations and beheadings.
The bookshop is run by a BRITISH company which states
"We try to represent a variety of... opinions through the products we sell…in order to spread peace, respect, tolerance and understanding."
(bucket please!!!)
The soft sell of ‘nice’ Islam:
This isn’t the lovely Islam she (reporter) was taught and that most follow (HA, HA). She was shocked! She notes some want to live as a separate community –NO, really??
Yes, Saudi petrodollars are certainly terrifyingly spreading Islam abroad but they are NOT abusing the great faith of Islam! Wahhabism is simply following the real text of Islam, not some prettified sell-to –the-west false version using ‘modified’ Korans and books! And Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqu who, with western hating, theocratic Kalim Siddiqu (dec) (Ibn Warraq p 351, 355) also from the Muslim Institute, London, set up the Muslim parliament of Great Britain 1992 and is allied with Iran wouldn’t have ulterior motives in criticising Saudi Arabia? (www.islamicthought.org/mp-intro.html -some MP history, authoritarian rule and funds misuse under Dr G...)
The reporter states:
I share the imam's outrage at the way a peaceful monotheistic religion - so close to Christianity and Judaism in its essential beliefs - has been hijacked.
Satanism is monotheistic. As for similarities with Judeo-Christian teaching, other than Islam copying names and messed up stories there is no ‘similarity’ – the ethics/values/morality are completely different!
The 5 pillars of Islam are-a statement re allah and Mohammad; praying with ablution 5 times daily; fasting; pilgrimage to Mecca and zakat (can use for weapons, jihad). This looks nothing like the 10 commandments –eg honour thy father and thy mother; thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not commit adultery; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not bear false witness; thou shalt not covert thy neighbour’s house, wife, manservant, maidservant, ox, ass, or anything..etc.
Just a quick review shows incompatibility with Islam which tells Muslims to reject their non-believing family, kill infidels and apostates, have multiple wives/concubines and extra muta and misyar ‘marriages’ and gives men the right to rape women caught in battle and slaves. Muslim men are promised the land, property, women and children of others as ‘booty.’ Islam has a doctrine of taqiyya—lying when the occasion suits.
Nor is there any ‘do unto others/or love thy neighbour’. Despite efforts to misquote Islamic text referring to Muslim treatment of other Muslims (men), even a vague reading of text and laws re women or infidels shows the most vile attitudes, practices and laws which abuse, and repress—there is certainly no equality or love!
There is no separation of church and state in Islam. Did Jesus have sex with a child, support clitoridectomy, beat women, plough them like a field, enslave..... stone, amputate, behead... and the list goes on!
The ‘wedge’ between Islam and the west is due to Islam’s inhuman, unacceptable attitudes, practices and laws.
There may be some ‘nice’ Muslims who follow something they call Islam without a full knowledge of all Islam’s text/laws – we can only hope those ‘nice’ people wake up and leave Islam.
This false duality of nice/nasty Islam must stop. Don’t fall for the sugar coating, the reality of what’s inside will soon follow. We all know there’s only one Islam and it’s evil!
References:
- The latest ‘Under Cover Mosque’ is available on our site - don’t fall for the soft sell!
- Preachers of Separatism
- Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib; Reliance of the Traveler: A classic manual of Islamic sacred law. In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller amana publications Maryland USA 1994 (Shafi’i school eg Egypt but 75 % laws/legal conclusions identical across all 4 schools.)
- Hedaya Commentary on the Islamic Laws (reprint 1994) Translated by Charles Hamilton, Published by Kitab Bhaban , New Delhi (Hanafi scool)
- Warraq, Ibn: Why I am not a Muslim Prometheus Books New York 1995
- Most text available HERE (for hadiths) and HERE (for Koran) Note verse numbers can vary within translations.
- Many 'English' versions are very 'sanitised' or 'mistranslated' and missing verses! - also in Reliance of the Traveller!
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Even pointing out to obvious treachery, deception, hate and criminal activities gets you nothing but a BIGOT label.
Interesting comment
'Satanism is monotheistic. As for similarities with Judeo-Christian teaching, other than Islam copying names and messed up stories there is no ‘similarity’ – the ethics/values/morality are completely different!'
However, many in the west have lost their 'nerve' to draw any kind of distinction with anything - much less with another culture and 'faith'. They just don't want there to be a problem - such as islam is presenting to the world. Feminists and gay rights groups are the most notable by their silence here. What would it take to prod them to comment on an ideology that threatens to destroy them? Don't they care about their own survival?
Thanks a million for writing about this. I was hoping someone would.
We downloaded the video and have made copies to send to friends and family.
The Interview is a classic and shows the muslim ignorance about the Bible.
The interviewer kept mentioning the violence in the OT and completely ignored the NT.
Of course, Mohammed didn't understand what Jesus said either!
And the interviewer says "I don't like men that beat up on women". Of course, muslim men don't beat women, do they?
The very fact that women can't pray beside a man in the mosque highlights the discrimination of women starts there. I am horrified that young children are indoctrinated in the women's groups as exposed by this film.
And Interfaith? Sheeeeez, give me a bucket!
What this return programme showed to me is that nothing has changed since the original was screened in January 2007. No one in the British government has taken any steps to monitor hate speeches in the mosques.
Surely this is a lesson for Australia, and lets start with Lakemba and Preston.
Well done, Circe.
First, while there are wars and killings in the OT, they are always specific to a time and place. In this place at that hour, YHWH says that the Jews will have victory over their enemies. But it is NEVER said in the OT, as it is in the Qur'an, that all unbelievers must be slain. This general overarching instruction to kill and keep killing till the end of time is totally opposed to anything in the OT or NT.
Second, the religious law does not enjoin killing for sin. The 'sin' will be judged by YHWH himself and no human being can take on that role. The BBC interviewee was right in asking Galloway [in the video clip] when he last heard a rabbi or a priest calling for the killing of homosexuals or adulterers. It does not happen- and Galloway was intellectually too dishonest to admit it. He just fluffed the issue with other irrelevant comments.
But it happens very often in Islamic mosques.
And the killing occurs too. Just read the papers.
I felt betrayed and angry because of my wasted years just to follow a liar.
The feeling that so much time was lost for something meaningless must've been absolutely horrible.
I hope that you have had some feeling of freedom - like being released from a spell.
I am with you 100% Wendy. The injudicious and selective abuse of the OT, by people who understand nothing of the NEW T, let alone the Old, is a dangerous ploy that the Churches MUST counter.
In this post-Christian epoch, where secularism has destroyed much knowledge, it is a ploy working wonders for muslim apologists. It amazes me how people who know nothing of the Bible, either book, can state with such conviction, "There's mayhem and murder in the Bible...."! When they add the words "too", you'd think the penny might drop!
Lemme see, 2000 years of "new testament", in which there is NOT ONE MENTION or hint that it approves of killing, or judgement of the living, as opposed to a book that is right up-to-the-minute advocating the death of Jews, people "of the book" and unbelievers, which wants to impose second-class citizenship on kufar and which approves of martyrdom.
Let's just re-write the complaint sheet and add some common sense to it.
There's almost nothing but death in the Koran
It is hate speech; it is a vilifying document;
it denies human rights and human freedoms.
It must be banned. I want to see a kufar board of academics and theologians set up an acceptible islamic Curriculum for Muslims schools in Australia. That board would remove all the vitriol and mayhem from the Koran, simultaneously making it the worlds thinest book, and any muslim 'preacher' or teacher found teaching from the proscribed "old koran" would be liable to deportation, revocation of citizenship and even jail. The schools would lose all funding and face closure.
It's a simple procedure and a simple message...."AS it is, the Koran is incompatible with any Australian values. Modernise and sanitise, or we shut it down."
You have to kill all the Kuffar or force them into dhimmitude. You have to establish Dar al-Islam all over the world, and then start killing other Muslim sects until there is true unity among them.
Only then you can look around and say - Now we have perfect peace.
That's what I love about islam...it's so simple.
Simple, simple, simple, simple.
Keep quiet and soon you shall be permanently quiet. Or converted to dhimmis! Wow, great options. Which ones would you pick?
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/10/islam4uk-out-with-uk-law-in-with.html
From a group called Youth Sparks of Fire giving talks in the UK Midlands:-
- youth come to the UK because there are no jobs in Egypt or Pakistan, but the UK has too much freedom, so they need Sharia.
What really hit me was the "brain disconnect" with the speaker.
He doesnt understand that the reason the UK has jobs and a better way of life is DEMOCRACY, the very thing he wants to replace.
Both Egypt and Pakistan are Islamic and it is ISLAM that is the problem!!
The very reason that Ataturk dissolved the Caliphate in 1922 was that he knew ISLAM was holding muslims back. They were falling behind the West.
This speaker also sprouts the myth of how great Islam once was because they invented Algebra and Zero. (He has never heard of the Mayan calendar or the Lid of Palenque!).
The ignorance of this man is frightening and his influence is stirring up treason in the UK.
What chance for Britain if hate speech in mosques and lecture circuits are not monitored?
I believe we should send copies of this Undercover Mosque DVD to politicians and also to church leaders that indulge in Interfaith here in Australia. I have sent some to relatives but I think I should widen the net.
Fantastic article. You have spoken in a very non-PC way, but it is the truth, especially about there being no 2 Islams, once nice and one nasty. There is only 1, and the sooner we all start realising it, the better.
Wendy Larkson
Yes, I get annoyed when people bring up the Old Testament as a parallel for the Qur'an. It is usually the apologists for Islam, plus of course the anti-Semites (who also generally support Islam) who do it, in order to paint a false moral equivalence.
As you say, the wars and killings in the OT are always specific to a time and place. Self-defence against those trying to destroy you is, in my view, totally justifiable. Islam wants to kill everyone, however friendly they are to the Religion of Peace.
I really enjoyed the BBC interviewee asking Galloway when he last heard a rabbi or a priest calling for the killing of homosexuals or adulterers and watching Galloway avoid answering the question.
Blue Heeler,
Yes, the qur'an is hate speech which denies human rights and human freedoms.
I too feel it must be banned if we are to preserve civilisation from the barbarians at our door.
A qur'an without violence - definitely the world's thinnest book!
AS it is, the Koran is incompatible with any Australian values. Modernise and sanitise, or we shut it down."
It really could be that simple - if we got rid of all this PC nonsense and cleansed the unis and govt of loonies/Islamist supporters.
Vinay
"Expose and act against I$lam and you will be branded as a Muslim-hater.
Keep quiet and soon you shall be permanently quiet. Or converted to dhimmis! Wow, great options. Which ones would you pick?"
It's a horrendous situation, but I'd pick speaking out and being branded a racist/bigot/Islamophobe.
I am an Islamophobe. So should all decent people be!
I also enjoyed the 'Galloway' interview--this vile man is exposed in other bits on youtube where he clearly displays his hatred of the west and Britain and shows his strong ties with Islam.
If we had the financial resourses of Islam, the first thing I would do is take Islam to court for its 'vilification' of others-its perversion (inciting paedophilia), sadism, racism, misoyny, and threats of violence to all others and its treason against our political system!
I really hope Christians (Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Confucionists..)stop being nice about Islam and start exposing the violence and intolerance of Islam's text and history and its threat to all others TODAY!
I agree with Wendy and Geoff--Christians need to know their text and need to know that the 'violence' of the old testament was indeed limited to a time/place/group, which is VERY different from the cart blanche, kill others till allah's religion controls the world that is Islam!
I would like to see Christians stand and forbid Islam from calling Islam's Isa 'Jesus' as he is so clearly NOT the Christian Jesus and Christians had the name first and that's only the start--the god's aren't the same, the ethics aren't the same, etc!!
