Why do Muslims insist that Jerusalem is their Holy City?When Mohamed and his faithful followers moved from Mecca to Medina, they found themselves among three Jewish tribes/clans (BANU-L-NADIR, BANU KAINUKA and BANU KURAIZA) which settled there some time after their expulsion from their homeland and also living there were two Arab, pagan tribes.
Mohammed, who at this stage needed more followers, decided to win those tribes over and convert them to his newly invented religion.
Islam was yet not as fully developed as we know it today, and Mohammed was still having his sessions with Allah (the Medina period revelations).
To attract the Jews and to convince them that Islam was also their true religion and he was a true prophet, Mohammad ordered his companions to pray while facing the same direction as the Jews as well as to observe the same time for fasting.
Saheeh Bukhari - 2004, Narrated Ibn Abbas: When the Prophet (SAW) came to Al-Madinahand saw the Jews fasting the day of Ashoora' [Passover], he said, "What is this [day]?"
They replied, "This is the day which God saved the children of Israel from their enemy , thus Moses fasted it."
He said, "I have more right to Moses than you."
So he fasted it and ordered fasting it.
Mohammad and his companions continued to pray for 19 months offering the quibla (direction of prayers) imitating the local Jews ( facing Jerusalem) but the recalcitrant Jews rejected Mohammad’s invitation to become his followers.
Musnad Ahmad - 23464, Narrated Awf bin Malik: The Prophet (SAW) and I with him went one day until we entered a Jewish Synagogue in Al-Madinah on a holiday of theirs. They hated our entrance on them. So the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "O ye Jews, show me twelve men [among the Jews] who believe that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammad is his messenger, and Allah will spare all the Jews under heaven his wrath the wrath he has."
They [the Jews] silenced everyone and no one answered him. So he repeated what he said and no one answered. So he repeated it for the third time and no one answered. So he said,
"You refuse! By Allah, I am the last [Prophet] and I am the final [Prophet] and I am the chosen Prophet; whether you believe or not."
Mohammad then decided to deal with the Jews in a much more decisive way and ordered the direction of prayers back towards Mecca (the traditional pagan way).
Submission of Banu Nadir to the Muslim troops (14-century painting)
Saheeh Muslim - 1765, Narrated Abi Hurayrah: While we were at the Mosque, the Messenger of Allah (SAW) came to us and said, "Go to the Jews."
So we went out with him until we arrived. So the Messenger of Allah (SAW) stood up and called on them, "O ye Jewish people, become Muslims and you will be safe."
They replied, "You have delivered [your message] O Aba Al-Qasim [Mohammad's Kunyah (title)]."
So he said to them, "That [delivering the message] is what I want. Become Muslims and you will be safe."
They replied, "You have delivered [your message] O Aba Al-Qasim [Mohammad's Kunyah (title)]."
So he repeated what he said for the third time and said, "Know that the land is for Allah and his Messenger, and I want to exile you from this land. So let him he who finds something valuable in his possession sell it; or know that the land is for Allah and his Messenger."
Qur'an-2:144 We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
At this stage Mohammad forgot all about the Jewish holy place and neither its description nor its name is mentioned in the whole Qur’an even once.
Mohamed now devoted his time to killing and driving out all infidels from the peninsula.
Battle of Khayba. Hazrat Ali slays Jewish leader Marhab.
Saheeh Muslim - 1767, Narrated Omar bin Al-Khattab: He [Omar] heard the Messenger of Allah (SAW) saying, "O I indeed will exile the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula until I leave no one but a Muslim."
There were no more attempts (no revelations) trying to incorporate Judaism and Christianity into Islam and the Jews and Christians were condemned by Allah to be what they are now – descendants of apes and pigs, who must either submit to Islam or become dhimmis.
Qur'an-9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. Fight against Christians and Jews “until they pay the tribute (the Dhimmi) readily, being brought low.”
After Muhammad’s death, the Muslims armies under Khaliph Umar captured Jerusalem in 638, but there were no historical references/sources left which would mention any Muslim claims as to whether Jerusalem was a holy Islamic place (neither Muslim nor Christian).The Jerusalem (as a Muslims holy place) issue was born some 50 years after the prophet’s death in 682 when Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr rebelled against the second Umayyad khaliph, Yazid B. Muawiya and after taking Mecca prevented pilgrims from fulfilling the Hajj.
Yazid’s successor Khalif Abd al-Malik needed an alternative place for the pilgrimage and decided upon Jerusalem which by then was under his control.
To convince the pilgrims that the new place was as good as Mecca Abd al-Malik used some creative "theology" and re-discovered that the prophet had traveled to some place called the Remote Mosque (Al-Aqsa), during his extravagant night-voyage into heaven in A.D. 619.
AL-Aqsa mosque was indeed mentioned in the Qur'an:
Qur'an-17.1 Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the Remote Mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
And so the Remote or Furtherest Mosque was “rediscovered” as the sacred Temple in Jerusalem.
There was only one problem. Muhammad could not see any great temple in Jerusalem during his mystic journey with Angel Gabriel because the last Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Roman Emperor Titus (some 500 years before Muhammad’s alleged birth).
Somehow though, such trivia as facts and history had never seemed to bother Islamic scholars and theologians.
To support the new Khaliph’s Quranic discovery, a new Temple, which became the Dome of Rock (Qubbat al-Sakhra) and later the Remote Mosque ( al-Aksa Mosque ) were conveniently built.
Al Malik did not succeed though in convincing his fellow Muslims about the sanctity of Jerusalem and so they continued to direct their “quibla” towards Mecca and the pagan Kabaa as they always had even before the invention of Islam.
In fact the contemporary Arabs knew that the Remote Mosque (al-Aksa) had always been near Mecca on the Arabian Peninsula. This is stated in Kitab al-Maghazi by a historian and geographer al-Waqidi (d.822 A.D.)According to him there were two places of prayer in al-Gi’ranah, a village between Mecca and Ta’if, one was “the closer mosque” (al-masjid al-adana) and the other was “the remote mosque” (al-masjid al-aqsa).
And so the “holiness of Jerusalem” was abandoned for many years until Saladin (1138-1193) found the revival of al-masjid al-aqsa myth useful to inspire fighting spirit among the Muslims against the Crusaders.
After the crusaders were driven away, for over seven hundred years Jerusalem remained still a predominately Christian city and the “Muslim “Holy Temples” collected cobwebs and never attracted much devotion from the followers of Allah.
Jerusalem itself (as well as so called Palestine) lost its significance and became a provincial city with a dying economy.
The Arch of Titus and the details depicting the spoils from the destroyed Second Jewish Temple, the temple which according to Yassir Arafat had never existed (contradicting al-Malik)
Most of the inhabitants suffered poverty and hardship as the surrounding area from the beginning of the Muslim conquest became an object of frequent plunder of predatory Bedouin tribes and various factions of Islamic invaders.
The jihad against the Jewish and Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem and Palestine was relentless and it came in bursts of devastating hostilities.
(E.g. in 937 A.D.):
The Muslims attacked . . . in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday (26 March 937) and set fire to the southern gates of Constantine’s church and to half of the exedra, whereupon the Church of the Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection collapsed. . . . According to al-Makin and al-Maqrizi, the Church of the Resurrection and the Church of the Calvary were also robbed of their treasures. . . . It seems at the same time the Muslims attacked in Ascalon again. According to Yahya b. Sa’id, the assault was made on “the great church there, known by the name of Mary the Green. They destroyed it and robbed it of all its contents and then set fire to it.’ . . . The bishop of Ascalon then left for Baghdad to get permission to rebuild the church, but he did not succeed. The church was left in ruins, for the Muslims who lived in Ascalon agreed amongst themselves that they would not allow it to be built again. As to the bishop, he never returned to Ascalon and remained in Ramla until his death. (Gil, History of Palestine quoted from -A. Bostom, The Legacy of Jihad, p.48)
During so called periods of relative “peace” the inhabitants of Jerusalem as well as the whole Palestine were exposed to apartheid, humiliation and intolerance:
Neglected Dome of the Rock in a state of disrepair ca 1875
(Reported in 1011) - They were ordered to wear black turbans. The Christians had to wear a cross the length of a cubit and weighing five ratls around the necks: the Jews were obliged to wear a block of wood of similar weight …... they had to wear some distinguishing mark in the bath—houses, and finally al—Hakim decided that there were to be separate bath-houses for their use, . . . Ibn Al—Athir conveys ... that al-Hakim ordered (after the destruction of the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem... ) that all the churches in the realm be destroyed, and this was done, and that the Jews and Christians were then to accept Islam, or emigrate to Byzantine lands. They were also obliged to wear special distinguishing signs. Many converted… Bar Hebraeus speaks of thousands of churches which were destroyed in the Fatimid kingdom at that time; the decree regarding the wearing ii the cross around the neck was also, he says, a means of pressuring the Christians to convert. The wooden block the Jews were obliged to wear, had to be in a shape of a calf, as a reminder of the golden calf. (Gil, History of Palestine quoted from -A. Bostom, The Legacy of Jihad, p.48-49)The Turcoman period just before the crusades (1071-1099) was known among the inhabitants of Palestine as the “End of Days”:
Then Atsiz advanced on Jerusalem from Damascus, placed the city under siege, and promised itsinhabitants the aman; on this basis, the inhabitants opened the gates of the city to him. Atsiz prevailed over Jerusalem, completely ignoring his promise of aman, and went on rampage. He slaughtered 3,000 people there….
He also conducted campaigns of annihilation against Ramla, until all its people had fled, against Gaza, where he murdered the entire population. He likewise massacred people in al-Arish and elsewhere and wrought endless havoc in Damascus, where only 3,000 of the original 500,000 had remained, due to starvation and and scarcity. Jaffa too was attacked, and its governor … fled from the town to Tyre, together with all the city’s inhabitants, while the walls of Jaffa were destroyed on Atsis orders. (cited in Andrew, G. Bostom, The Legacy of Jihad,
Despite the most vigorous Islamic attempts to convince gullible Westerners that the Muslim invasion of Palestine was in fact the liberation of “Arabs from Byzantine oppression”, the historical sources speak up loud and clear about the centuries of Muslim, rape, pillage, genocide and forced conversions of Christians and Jews.
The quotation below is a contemporary poem by Solomon ha-Kohen b. Joseph, from a family of Palestinian Jewish eligious leaders ca: 1070):
They were a strange and cruel people, girt with garments of many colors,
Armed and officered-chiefs araong ‘the terrible ones’
And capped with helmets, black and red,
With bow and spear and full quivers;
And they trumpet like elephants, and roar as the roaring ocean,
To terrify, to frighten those who oppose them,
And they are wicked men and sinners, madmen, not sane,
And they laid waste the cities, and they were made desolate
And they rejoiced in their hearts, hoping to inherit.
He [God) also remembered what they had done to the people of Jerusalem,
That they had besieged them twice in two years,
And burned the heaped corn and destroyed the places,
And cut down the trees and tranwled upon the vineyards,
And surrounded the city upon the high mountains,
And despoiled the graves and threw out the bones,
And built palaces, to protect themselves against the heat,
And erected an altar to slay upon it the abominations;
And the men and women ride upon the walls
Crying onto the God of gods, to quiet the great anger,
Standing the whole night, banishing sleep
While the enemy destroy, evening and morning,
And break down the whole earth, and lay bare the ground,
And stand the highways, intending to slay like Cain,
And cut off the ears, and also the nose,
And rob the garments, leaving them stand naked,
And also roar like lions, and roar like young lions;
They do not resemble men, they are like beasts,
And also harlots and adulterers, and they inflame themselves with males,
They are bad and wicked and spiteful as Sodomites.
And they impoverished the sons of nobles, and starved the delicately bred.
And all the people of the city went out and cried in the field,
Anti covered their lips, silent in their pains,
Anti they had no mercy on widows, and pitied not the orphans.
(J. Greenstone's translation quoted from -A. Bostom, The Legacy of Jihad, p.50-51)
Farming, the life support system, virtually ceased and was replaced by the nomadic Bedouin herdsmen adding even further to the total deprivation of the agricultural land.
At the eve of the "final solution" to the "Jewish Problem",
the Mufti and Adolf Hitler confer
in Berlin, November 21, 1941
the Mufti and Adolf Hitler confer
in Berlin, November 21, 1941
A FAST walker could go outside the walls of Jerusalem and walk entirely around the city in an hour. I do not know how else to make one understand how small it is…..
The population of Jerusalem is composed of Moslems, Jews, Greeks, Latins, Armenians, Syrians, Copts, Abyssinians, Greek Catholics, and a handful of Protestants. One hundred of the latter sect are all that dwell now in this birthplace of christianity. The nice shades of nationality comprised in the above list, and the languages spoken by them, are altogether too numerous to mention. It seems to me that all the races and colors and tongues of the earth must be represented among the fourteen thousand souls that dwell in Jerusalem. Rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt, those signs and symbols that indicate the presence of Moslem rule more surely than the crescent-flag itself, abound. Lepers, cripples, the blind, and the idiotic, assail you on every hand, and they know but one word of but one language apparently -- the eternal "bucksheesh." To see the numbers of maimed, malformed and diseased humanity that throng the holy places and obstruct the gates, one might suppose that the ancient days had come again, and that the angel of the was expected to descend at any moment to stir the waters of Bethesda. Jerusalem is mournful, and dreary, and lifeless. I would not desire to live here. (source)
The final chapter however of the saga was created by the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al Husseini who revived the myth of Jerusalem as the third holiest Muslim City in order to oppose the resurrection of Israel.
Since Arab nationalism was non-existent (the idea of a state as understood by the West is totally alien to Islamic culture) he reinvented the Islamic holiness of Jerusalem to stir the local Muslim Arabs into violent jihad against the Jews.
And so as soon as Herbert Samuel appointed him to the position of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Husseini started his propaganda to raise Jerusalem’s status as an Islamic holy city. One of his first projects was to refurbish the decaying Temple of the Rock and al Aqsa mosque.
His disciple and replacement - Arafat continued this Holy Islamic Farce.
Of course the ordinary, brainwashed Muslims will always do what they are told by their leaders and imams but why should the West repeat the same errors again and again by allowing murderous political systems like the Nazis or Islam to exist and expand?
References:
- Andrew G. Bostom, The Legacy of Jihad, Prometheus Books, 2005
- Serge Trifkovic, The Sword of the Prophet, Boston: Regina Orthodox Press, 2002
- Daniel Pipes, The Muslim Claim to Jerusalem , 2001
- Leah Bat-Chaim, Why Jerusalem is Not Holy to Muslims, Published: 05/18/04
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It's only natural that evil Muslims claim that Jerusalem is their Holy City because Allah/Satan made them heirs of all lands: "And he made you (all the Muslims) heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented, and Allah has power over all things," (Qur'an, Sura 8 Verse 12).
Of course we know that Muhammad was a damn liar. Muhammad was the worst human beast ever created. Besides being an arrogant false prophet and the biggest liar in the world, Muhammad was also a murderer, a paedophile, a child molester, a slave owner, a wife beater, a rapist, a thief, a robber, a torturer, a narcissist, a sadist, a polygamist, a flat earth believer, well, just a damn first class idiot. What's so bad is that there are first class idiots still following Hammy. That explains most of the misery in the world.
P.S. "The unbelievers are the worst beasts in the eyes of Allah," (Sura 8 Verse 55 of the filthy Qur'an, i.e., the Muslim War Manual).
Of course we know that Muhammad was a damn liar. Muhammad was the worst human beast ever created. Besides being an arrogant false prophet and the biggest liar in the world, Muhammad was also a murderer, a paedophile, a child molester, a slave owner, a wife beater, a rapist, a thief, a robber, a torturer, a narcissist, a sadist, a polygamist, a flat earth believer, well, just a damn first class idiot. What's so bad is that there are first class idiots still following Hammy. That explains most of the misery in the world.
P.S. "The unbelievers are the worst beasts in the eyes of Allah," (Sura 8 Verse 55 of the filthy Qur'an, i.e., the Muslim War Manual).
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July 29, 2008
Dan,
It is a fascinating story of brotherly love between muslims. Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr was filling his coffers with gold from the pilgrammages so Abd al-Malik (newly elected Caliph in 685AD) devised a scheme to build the Dome of the Rock to pull pilgrims away from Mecca and Medina (and to collect money).
And there is another lesser known fact!
The Dome was designed along the lines of the Christian church of the Holy Sepulcher, but his builders got it wrong and broke their own rules.
The height of the Dome in the Holy Sepulcher Church was 69 feet while the one in the Dome of the Rock was only 67 feet, and so was smaller than that the Christian church.
So much for Islamic science!!!
(In both, the height of the supporting drum is equal to its diameter, which in turn is almost equal to the height of the dome.)
I also like the fable about the night journey!
Mohammed mounted his steed al-Burak and sped through the night sky with the angel Gabriel to land on the sacred rock. A ladder of golden light materialized, and Mohammed ascended to the Seventh Heaven. The Rock attempted to follow, speaking with a tongue saying "O Mohammed, take me along into the presence of Allah". Gabriel fended off the envious stone, and his hand print was etched into its surface.
And this is what is on display in the middle of the Dome of the Rock for all true believers to see!
It is a fascinating story of brotherly love between muslims. Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr was filling his coffers with gold from the pilgrammages so Abd al-Malik (newly elected Caliph in 685AD) devised a scheme to build the Dome of the Rock to pull pilgrims away from Mecca and Medina (and to collect money).
And there is another lesser known fact!
The Dome was designed along the lines of the Christian church of the Holy Sepulcher, but his builders got it wrong and broke their own rules.
The height of the Dome in the Holy Sepulcher Church was 69 feet while the one in the Dome of the Rock was only 67 feet, and so was smaller than that the Christian church.
So much for Islamic science!!!
(In both, the height of the supporting drum is equal to its diameter, which in turn is almost equal to the height of the dome.)
I also like the fable about the night journey!
Mohammed mounted his steed al-Burak and sped through the night sky with the angel Gabriel to land on the sacred rock. A ladder of golden light materialized, and Mohammed ascended to the Seventh Heaven. The Rock attempted to follow, speaking with a tongue saying "O Mohammed, take me along into the presence of Allah". Gabriel fended off the envious stone, and his hand print was etched into its surface.
And this is what is on display in the middle of the Dome of the Rock for all true believers to see!
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July 29, 2008
Dan,
It is inspiring to read such a detailed historical and factual account of Jeruslaem, which is the capital of the Holy Land and sacred to both Christians and Jews. Muslims have no legitimate claim to any of Israel, except their usual claim that the whole world must be claimed by Muslims on behalf of their false allah.
What interests me most is that Muslims lay claim to Jerusalem, based on falsehoods, yet Jews could justifably claim ownership of Medina in Saudi Arabia. As you pointed out "When Mohamed and his faithful followers moved from Mecca to Medina, they found themselves among three Jewish tribes/clans which settled there some time after their expulsion from their homeland and also living there were two Arab, pagan tribes."
This means that the Jews have a prior claim to Medina and have more right to it than the Muslims do. Yet you never hear Jews insisting that it belongs to them. In fact, the whole of Arabia is virtually devoid of Jews, most of them massacred or driven out by the encroachment of Islam.
Surely Jews and Christians would have a much more valid claim to the land? What about the Copts of Egypt, who pre-dated Islam? What about the Maronites of Lebanon, and the Assyrians and Chaldeans?
Why do we never hear about their rights? Instead we are told endlessly about poor dispossessed Palestinians (who are really Arabs just like the others.)
It is inspiring to read such a detailed historical and factual account of Jeruslaem, which is the capital of the Holy Land and sacred to both Christians and Jews. Muslims have no legitimate claim to any of Israel, except their usual claim that the whole world must be claimed by Muslims on behalf of their false allah.
What interests me most is that Muslims lay claim to Jerusalem, based on falsehoods, yet Jews could justifably claim ownership of Medina in Saudi Arabia. As you pointed out "When Mohamed and his faithful followers moved from Mecca to Medina, they found themselves among three Jewish tribes/clans which settled there some time after their expulsion from their homeland and also living there were two Arab, pagan tribes."
This means that the Jews have a prior claim to Medina and have more right to it than the Muslims do. Yet you never hear Jews insisting that it belongs to them. In fact, the whole of Arabia is virtually devoid of Jews, most of them massacred or driven out by the encroachment of Islam.
Surely Jews and Christians would have a much more valid claim to the land? What about the Copts of Egypt, who pre-dated Islam? What about the Maronites of Lebanon, and the Assyrians and Chaldeans?
Why do we never hear about their rights? Instead we are told endlessly about poor dispossessed Palestinians (who are really Arabs just like the others.)
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July 29, 2008
What interests me most is that Muslims lay claim to Jerusalem, based on falsehoods,The Daniel Pipes link also logically explains how the city of Jerusalem could not have been the location of the midnight ride and it has a response from a Muslim (Aiysha ) to the effect that the article is rubbish on account of the very falsehoods the article illustrates to be falsehoods.
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July 29, 2008
Philip,
There's one thing you can depend on, that Islam in the name of allah/satan will claim anything and everything that belongs to someone else - their land, their wives, children, possessions, houses.
And then those they don't kill, they will enslave.
This is how Islam has been operating since it began. Whole cultures have disappeared, while Islam has grabbed all the booty. When will it end? When we start fighting back.
Geoff,
So blood is being shed in the Holy Land because some greedy Muslim wanted to lure pilgrims to Jerusalem to line his coffers.
Have the Muslims no shame?
Victoria,
Imagine the kerfuffle if the Jews put in a claim on Medina!
Incidentally, I believe the Muslims have also laid claim to the moon. I just wish they'd all go there and leave the earth to people who want to enjoy life.
Oswald,
The weird thing about the night journey is it WAS ONLY A DREAM! Can we lay claim to property based on a dream of ownership? Can I claim Buckingham Palace if I dreamed I lived there? The whole thing is nonsense and should be dismissed as such instead of our world leaders taking the self-called Palestinians so seriously.
There's one thing you can depend on, that Islam in the name of allah/satan will claim anything and everything that belongs to someone else - their land, their wives, children, possessions, houses.
And then those they don't kill, they will enslave.
This is how Islam has been operating since it began. Whole cultures have disappeared, while Islam has grabbed all the booty. When will it end? When we start fighting back.
Geoff,
So blood is being shed in the Holy Land because some greedy Muslim wanted to lure pilgrims to Jerusalem to line his coffers.
Have the Muslims no shame?
Victoria,
Imagine the kerfuffle if the Jews put in a claim on Medina!
Incidentally, I believe the Muslims have also laid claim to the moon. I just wish they'd all go there and leave the earth to people who want to enjoy life.
Oswald,
The weird thing about the night journey is it WAS ONLY A DREAM! Can we lay claim to property based on a dream of ownership? Can I claim Buckingham Palace if I dreamed I lived there? The whole thing is nonsense and should be dismissed as such instead of our world leaders taking the self-called Palestinians so seriously.
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July 29, 2008
Dan, why has the horse got a lady's face when Mo hated women? and why a peacock's tail?
I thought it wasnt allowed to draw Mo. Isn't that what the Danish thing was all about?
I thought it wasnt allowed to draw Mo. Isn't that what the Danish thing was all about?
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July 29, 2008
Brenda,
The reason the artist painted the animal like that was to make the point that it was just one of Mo's weird dreams and had no basis in reality.
The reason the artist painted the animal like that was to make the point that it was just one of Mo's weird dreams and had no basis in reality.
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July 30, 2008
NO mention of MOhamed going to jerusalem in the Qur'an, and 'there were no historical references/sources left which would mention any Muslim claims as to whether Jerusalem was a holy Islamic place '. IT IS TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS that Muslims are in and around Jerusalem now AT ALL. Imagine if people had gotten it right and had protested about the wrongness of the Muslim landgrab in Israel, and the evil of their attacks and the rightness of the Israeli claim to their original land. How different the past 50 years would have been , not to mention that last 1,400 years.
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July 30, 2008
Philip,
You are (in my books) 100% right.
While the Chinese “hegemon” idea and Adolf Hitler’s Nazism limited their sphere of influence to an imaginary “race-culture”, while Karl Marx primitive social “Darwinism” limited the enemy to so called “class”, Islam officially marks the enemy as “those who are NOT with us”.
This primitive barrier is easy to cross over (at least on its surface) that gives (at least artificially) an easy way out for all those who wish to physically survive.
And so as long as you agree to the most humiliating conditions of your survival you may live.
The majority of human race wants to survive and therefore the choice of becoming “MUSLIM” creates the numbers of followers of this “death cult”.
At the same time ANYBODY can be branded as “non-Muslim” and eliminated on this single accusation and so ALL criticism is stopped before it begins.
It is a perfect system for self-destruction and annihilation of human race.
Geoff,
Yes, indeed I would too try to follow as well. Why was Mo so selfish and did not take the poor rock with him?
You pay too much attention to detail and fact – You’re bad material for a Muslim!!
Victoria,
Just putting well known facts together .
Oswald,
I used to be a high school teacher working for the NSW Ed. Dep. (ILC -Intensive Language Centre). From the early 90’s most of our “new” arrivals happened to be Muslim.
It was very educational and it was very sad at the same time.
No Muslim kid would ever admit any wrongdoing or guilt. To blame “on somebody else” is a integral part of Islamic culture. The stories I heard and the logic behind them are still haunting me on daily basis.
Brenda,
It’s not a lady-face but a pretty –face . MO didn’t mind “pretty”.
Muhammad was the worst human beast ever created.
You are (in my books) 100% right.
While the Chinese “hegemon” idea and Adolf Hitler’s Nazism limited their sphere of influence to an imaginary “race-culture”, while Karl Marx primitive social “Darwinism” limited the enemy to so called “class”, Islam officially marks the enemy as “those who are NOT with us”.
This primitive barrier is easy to cross over (at least on its surface) that gives (at least artificially) an easy way out for all those who wish to physically survive.
And so as long as you agree to the most humiliating conditions of your survival you may live.
The majority of human race wants to survive and therefore the choice of becoming “MUSLIM” creates the numbers of followers of this “death cult”.
At the same time ANYBODY can be branded as “non-Muslim” and eliminated on this single accusation and so ALL criticism is stopped before it begins.
It is a perfect system for self-destruction and annihilation of human race.
Geoff,
The Rock attempted to follow,…
Yes, indeed I would too try to follow as well. Why was Mo so selfish and did not take the poor rock with him?
The Dome was designed along the lines of the Christian church of the Holy Sepulcher, but his builders got it wrong and broke their own rules.
You pay too much attention to detail and fact – You’re bad material for a Muslim!!
Victoria,
It is inspiring to read such a detailed historical and factual account of Jeruslaem, ….
Just putting well known facts together .
Oswald,
I used to be a high school teacher working for the NSW Ed. Dep. (ILC -Intensive Language Centre). From the early 90’s most of our “new” arrivals happened to be Muslim.
It was very educational and it was very sad at the same time.
No Muslim kid would ever admit any wrongdoing or guilt. To blame “on somebody else” is a integral part of Islamic culture. The stories I heard and the logic behind them are still haunting me on daily basis.
Brenda,
It’s not a lady-face but a pretty –face . MO didn’t mind “pretty”.
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July 30, 2008
Evil Muslims, I have some very bad news for you. You awakened the EAGLE, America, on 9/11. Your own Qur'an Sura 9 Verse 11 tells you that you are doomed. Bad Muslims, the EAGLE REPRESENTS AMERICA.
Your own Qur'an Sura 9 Verse 11 has this to say: "For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome EAGLE. The wrath of the EAGLE would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair, still more rejoiced, for the wrath of the EAGLE cleansed the lands of Allah, and there was peace."
You bad Muslims chose Sura 9 Verse 11, the same date 9/11 to attack America. Big mistake. Your own Qur'an says that you are doomed. Give up or die. If you want to remain alive, SURRENDER NOW. It is better to remain alive than to be destroyed by the EAGLE, i.e., AMERICA.
P.S. Dan Zaremba, please check out the Qur'an to see if I quoted correctly. Someone else gave me this information. I don't own a Qur'an. I hope it's true. Thanks.
Your own Qur'an Sura 9 Verse 11 has this to say: "For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome EAGLE. The wrath of the EAGLE would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair, still more rejoiced, for the wrath of the EAGLE cleansed the lands of Allah, and there was peace."
You bad Muslims chose Sura 9 Verse 11, the same date 9/11 to attack America. Big mistake. Your own Qur'an says that you are doomed. Give up or die. If you want to remain alive, SURRENDER NOW. It is better to remain alive than to be destroyed by the EAGLE, i.e., AMERICA.
P.S. Dan Zaremba, please check out the Qur'an to see if I quoted correctly. Someone else gave me this information. I don't own a Qur'an. I hope it's true. Thanks.
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July 30, 2008
Oswald,
I believe the muslims already have a claim on Buckingham Palace. Best dream about somewhere else!
I believe the muslims already have a claim on Buckingham Palace. Best dream about somewhere else!
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July 30, 2008
Wendy,
' Imagine if people had gotten it right and had protested about the wrongness of the Muslim landgrab in Israel...How different the past 50 years would have been , not to mention that last 1,400 years."
Heartbreaking. As a Brit and a Christian, I feel a sense of responsibility, as we didn't do enough to protect the Jews during the Mandate period, and instead during the Nazi era, prevented persecuted Jews reaching their legitimate homeland. Britain was too intent on appeasing the Arabs to think of the justice of the situation. If we had acted morally then, much bloodshed could have been avoided.
Dan,
You are right that victimhood is part of Muslim culture. Islam teaches success, yet keeps its followers as slaves and prevents them becoming rational humans. Therefore, when they feel, it can't be that the immutable Koran got it wrong, but it must be the fault of the infidels.
Philip,
I am a great admirer of the US and feel if anyone can save Western civilisation, it is them. One heartening development from the US is planned legislation to protect Americans from the results of being sued by Islamists, I think called libel terrorism. We have nothing like that in the UK, nor I believe does my adopted country of Australia.
But we desperately need it.
Interesting relationship between Sura 9 Verse 11 and 9/11. If there ever was a time when the eagle needs to wake up, it's now.
' Imagine if people had gotten it right and had protested about the wrongness of the Muslim landgrab in Israel...How different the past 50 years would have been , not to mention that last 1,400 years."
Heartbreaking. As a Brit and a Christian, I feel a sense of responsibility, as we didn't do enough to protect the Jews during the Mandate period, and instead during the Nazi era, prevented persecuted Jews reaching their legitimate homeland. Britain was too intent on appeasing the Arabs to think of the justice of the situation. If we had acted morally then, much bloodshed could have been avoided.
Dan,
You are right that victimhood is part of Muslim culture. Islam teaches success, yet keeps its followers as slaves and prevents them becoming rational humans. Therefore, when they feel, it can't be that the immutable Koran got it wrong, but it must be the fault of the infidels.
Philip,
I am a great admirer of the US and feel if anyone can save Western civilisation, it is them. One heartening development from the US is planned legislation to protect Americans from the results of being sued by Islamists, I think called libel terrorism. We have nothing like that in the UK, nor I believe does my adopted country of Australia.
But we desperately need it.
Interesting relationship between Sura 9 Verse 11 and 9/11. If there ever was a time when the eagle needs to wake up, it's now.
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July 30, 2008
Sorry, my comment to Dan should have read
'Therefore, when they fail, it can't be that the immutable Koran got it wrong, but it must be the fault of the infidels.'
It's the qwerty jinn again!
'Therefore, when they fail, it can't be that the immutable Koran got it wrong, but it must be the fault of the infidels.'
It's the qwerty jinn again!
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July 30, 2008
Victoria, I think your original way of saying it sums it up correctly. Your qwerty jinn knows more than you :D
Let's face it, the trilogy of hate allows any muslim to claim anyone else, muslim or not, as causing fitna (mischief) because they feel like it and thereby subject to any punishment they feel like meting out. It also enables others to claim this is not true Islam because they feel it is not. It's a savage mess.
The trilogy of hate is the perfect combination of the enlightenment and darkenment. Muslims were the original thinkers for themselves, as long as their free thoughts and actions were within the Koran. You see - they brought us the enlightenment too 8)
Let's face it, the trilogy of hate allows any muslim to claim anyone else, muslim or not, as causing fitna (mischief) because they feel like it and thereby subject to any punishment they feel like meting out. It also enables others to claim this is not true Islam because they feel it is not. It's a savage mess.
The trilogy of hate is the perfect combination of the enlightenment and darkenment. Muslims were the original thinkers for themselves, as long as their free thoughts and actions were within the Koran. You see - they brought us the enlightenment too 8)
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July 30, 2008
The situation in Israel is just another example of Islam's jihad against the infidel. That's why all these "peace" initiatives will fail. However much land Israel gives to the Arabs, however many "painful concessions" it makes, it will make no difference.
Islam wants all Jews dead and Israel is the collective Jew.
It's quite simple really. As Walid Shoebat remarked in the excellent DVD "Islam, What the West Needs to Know","what part of kill don't you understand?"
And surprise, surprise, after they've killed off all the Jews, they'll come for the rest of the infidels. Yes, that includes all those loopy left uniting church types who are busy having interfaith dialogue!
Islam wants all Jews dead and Israel is the collective Jew.
It's quite simple really. As Walid Shoebat remarked in the excellent DVD "Islam, What the West Needs to Know","what part of kill don't you understand?"
And surprise, surprise, after they've killed off all the Jews, they'll come for the rest of the infidels. Yes, that includes all those loopy left uniting church types who are busy having interfaith dialogue!
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July 31, 2008
I highly recommend: Islam in the End Times by Ellis H. Skofield.
He explains how The prophetic views of earlier notables like Thieleman van Braght, Sir Isaac Newton and Matthew Henry are proving to be correct, throwing today’s end-time views into question. What was impossible to understand a generation ago is now obvious, but what you do with this knowledge is up to you.
He also shows how the prophecies of Daniel reveal the Dome of the Rock was predicted in biblical prophesy.
He explains how The prophetic views of earlier notables like Thieleman van Braght, Sir Isaac Newton and Matthew Henry are proving to be correct, throwing today’s end-time views into question. What was impossible to understand a generation ago is now obvious, but what you do with this knowledge is up to you.
He also shows how the prophecies of Daniel reveal the Dome of the Rock was predicted in biblical prophesy.
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July 31, 2008
Philip,
I just wish the American eagle would hurry up and destroy Islam. At the moment, it looks like Obama will be elected President, and then the eagle will have clipped wings.
I just wish the American eagle would hurry up and destroy Islam. At the moment, it looks like Obama will be elected President, and then the eagle will have clipped wings.
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July 31, 2008
Phillip, Sura 9:11 is not as you were provided. In fact, there are no prophetic statements in the Quran as the "Prophet" never prophesized! Islam is not based on one Godly inspired word, only the demonic ramblings of a criminal. For reference, I recommend this link to an on-line Quran to verify items when required: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ (scroll to bottom on page to link to any Sura of the Quran)
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July 31, 2008
Cassandra, you are spot on. I believe that's what Australians say. We say "right on."
People who fall for "peace in our time" between Islamics and "infidels" have to be exceedingly stupid. The religion of Islam is a religion of an ongoing agression. There will always be Muslims who will take their religion seriously, and you know what that means.
Look, stupid dhimmis, grow a brain, will you? Did you hear me? I said "grow a brain" and think. Further above, I said that "there will always be Muslims who will take their religion seriously..." Can't you understand that? If you don't understand it, continue reading.
The following passages are taken from the Muslim War Manual called the Qur'an:
"Infidels are your sworn enemies," (Sura 4 Verse 101). Look, you stupid dhimmis, evil Muslims will always see you as "sworn enemies."
"Make war on the infidels around you," (Sura 9 Verse 123 and Sura 66 Verse 9). Look, you stupid dhimmis, Muslims who take their religion seriously, will ALWAYS make war againt you no matter what.
"Be ruthless to the infidels," (Sura 48 Verse 29). Look, stupid dhimmis, ruthless Muslims will ALWAYS be ruthless to you because they take their religion very seriously. DON'T BE SO STUPID!
"Fight those who believe not Allah nor the Last Day," (Sura 9 Verse 29). Look, stupid dhimmis, for 1,400 years, the evil Muslims who take their religion seriously have "fought those who believe not Allah." What makes you stupid Dhimmis think that evil Muslims who take their religion seriously will change over night? You're more than stupid if you think that? YOU ARE INSANE!!!
"Take neither the Jews, nor the Christians for your friends," (Sura 5 Verse 61 and Sura 60 Verse 13). Dhimmis, you are exceedingly stupid if you think you can change the hearts of evil Muslims who will continually take their religion seriously. EXCEEDINGLY STUPID!!
"Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them," (Sura 28 Verse 26). Dhimmis, what will it take to make you understand? Stupid, you will never win the hearts of evil Muslims who take their religion seriously. Decent people have tried to have peace with evil Muslims for 1,400 years, and have failed. You, too, will fail because there will ALWAYS be Muslims who will take their religion of war, death and destrution seriously.
WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO MAKE YOU STUPID DHIMMIS UNDERSTAND? There are almost 200 agressive passages in the Muslim War Manual, the filthy Qur'an, exhorting Muslims to murder you Dhimmis. And believe me, the evil Muslims will continue to wage war against you simply because EVIL MUSLIMS TAKE THEIR RELIGION VERY SERIOUSLY, AND THEY WILL ALWAYS TAKE THEIR RELIGION SERIOUSLY. Dhimmis, grow a brain and think!!!! ALSO OBSERVE!!!!
People who fall for "peace in our time" between Islamics and "infidels" have to be exceedingly stupid. The religion of Islam is a religion of an ongoing agression. There will always be Muslims who will take their religion seriously, and you know what that means.
Look, stupid dhimmis, grow a brain, will you? Did you hear me? I said "grow a brain" and think. Further above, I said that "there will always be Muslims who will take their religion seriously..." Can't you understand that? If you don't understand it, continue reading.
The following passages are taken from the Muslim War Manual called the Qur'an:
"Infidels are your sworn enemies," (Sura 4 Verse 101). Look, you stupid dhimmis, evil Muslims will always see you as "sworn enemies."
"Make war on the infidels around you," (Sura 9 Verse 123 and Sura 66 Verse 9). Look, you stupid dhimmis, Muslims who take their religion seriously, will ALWAYS make war againt you no matter what.
"Be ruthless to the infidels," (Sura 48 Verse 29). Look, stupid dhimmis, ruthless Muslims will ALWAYS be ruthless to you because they take their religion very seriously. DON'T BE SO STUPID!
"Fight those who believe not Allah nor the Last Day," (Sura 9 Verse 29). Look, stupid dhimmis, for 1,400 years, the evil Muslims who take their religion seriously have "fought those who believe not Allah." What makes you stupid Dhimmis think that evil Muslims who take their religion seriously will change over night? You're more than stupid if you think that? YOU ARE INSANE!!!
"Take neither the Jews, nor the Christians for your friends," (Sura 5 Verse 61 and Sura 60 Verse 13). Dhimmis, you are exceedingly stupid if you think you can change the hearts of evil Muslims who will continually take their religion seriously. EXCEEDINGLY STUPID!!
"Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them," (Sura 28 Verse 26). Dhimmis, what will it take to make you understand? Stupid, you will never win the hearts of evil Muslims who take their religion seriously. Decent people have tried to have peace with evil Muslims for 1,400 years, and have failed. You, too, will fail because there will ALWAYS be Muslims who will take their religion of war, death and destrution seriously.
WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO MAKE YOU STUPID DHIMMIS UNDERSTAND? There are almost 200 agressive passages in the Muslim War Manual, the filthy Qur'an, exhorting Muslims to murder you Dhimmis. And believe me, the evil Muslims will continue to wage war against you simply because EVIL MUSLIMS TAKE THEIR RELIGION VERY SERIOUSLY, AND THEY WILL ALWAYS TAKE THEIR RELIGION SERIOUSLY. Dhimmis, grow a brain and think!!!! ALSO OBSERVE!!!!
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July 31, 2008
M C M, isn't it possible that there are somethings in the Qur'an that are coincidental with things that have happened in the world? What I mean, much when we look at the many clouds in the sky and say, "look, there is a cloud that looks like a cow," et cetera. Do you know what I mean? I thought about what you said before I wrote. However, sometimes there are coincidences. I do not own a Qur'an, so I couldn't check to see what is really written on 9:11. However, I do know that 9/11 has some significance in the Muslim topsy-turvy world, so I have been told. Maybe someone can give us a clue.
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July 31, 2008
The Israelis and all christians should continually be making the case for the fact that israel is the historic land of Christians and Jews, not the usurpers
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July 31, 2008
This is verse 9:11 taken from Pickthall's translation:
Some English translations are sanitized for Westerners (probably to spare them the shock).
I normally use this website
because it provides most widely accepted translations.
9:11But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.
Some English translations are sanitized for Westerners (probably to spare them the shock).
I normally use this website
because it provides most widely accepted translations.
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July 31, 2008
MCM
I agree with you about prophecy. Conventional biblical scholars dont use Islam as a template when interpreting books such as Daniel or Revelation. When you consider Islam, you arrive at quite different predictions.
Daniel chapters 7 & 11 also have strong references to Islam!
I published a mathematical proof of Daniel 12:11 that points to the Dome of the Rock in 688.5AD. Refer: Dome of the Rock controversy 01 July 2008.
No standard texts on Daniel acknowledge the second couplet Dan 12:12 which points to 732AD and the battle of Tours/Poitiers which stopped the advance of Islam in Europe.
I agree with you about prophecy. Conventional biblical scholars dont use Islam as a template when interpreting books such as Daniel or Revelation. When you consider Islam, you arrive at quite different predictions.
Daniel chapters 7 & 11 also have strong references to Islam!
I published a mathematical proof of Daniel 12:11 that points to the Dome of the Rock in 688.5AD. Refer: Dome of the Rock controversy 01 July 2008.
No standard texts on Daniel acknowledge the second couplet Dan 12:12 which points to 732AD and the battle of Tours/Poitiers which stopped the advance of Islam in Europe.
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July 31, 2008
Dear Dan, I love it! By their own tales the Muslims are condemned----What a viscious, destructive, hate filled lot! So much for their claim of 'no forced conversions'. Tragically they laid bare the wonderful old area of Jerusalem/Israel and destroyed its people... Can the Israelis resurrect it?
This history according to Islam itself must be taught so all can see the horror of Islam and the falsity of their claims!! And even better would be a solid historical analysis by rational, non-Muslims (muslims lie about islam) as the claims re Mohammad simply aren't supported by any outside text---it's all a Muslim only narrative yet there are several outside references to Jesus and his execution by Romans, others more than 600 years earlier so why nothing on mohammad the viscious destroyer--didn't anyone notice!!
I may not be religious but I know that Jesus did exist as others record it---historical fact but Mohammad?? What an evil ideology Islam is, whether its early history is real or a later creation! That ideology exists in the here and now and must be fought NOW.
This history according to Islam itself must be taught so all can see the horror of Islam and the falsity of their claims!! And even better would be a solid historical analysis by rational, non-Muslims (muslims lie about islam) as the claims re Mohammad simply aren't supported by any outside text---it's all a Muslim only narrative yet there are several outside references to Jesus and his execution by Romans, others more than 600 years earlier so why nothing on mohammad the viscious destroyer--didn't anyone notice!!
I may not be religious but I know that Jesus did exist as others record it---historical fact but Mohammad?? What an evil ideology Islam is, whether its early history is real or a later creation! That ideology exists in the here and now and must be fought NOW.
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July 31, 2008
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All good Muslim males are entitled to some fun on earth as well. As always kaffir females are fair game according to Islamic teachings..
Although a person without any religious faith Ayaan Hirsi Ali understands that to win against Islam we need another religion, another faith to give an alternative to Muslims. 
Any progressive social visionary would tell you without hesitation that young Muslim males are forced into life of crime and violence by the following factors: global warming, poverty, the memories of Cronulla racism, wars in Ghan and Iraq as well as the persecution they have to suffer daily from racist "Aussies" and racist Chinese, and racist Hindu and .... (did I mention all other extremely racist non-Muslims?
And we must remember that following Muhammad's example (also known as "Living by the Sunnah" ) is a sacred duty of every Muslim boy and girl.
According to his lawyer Hadi Ahmadi is not a dirty people smuggler but a highly principled human being whose only purpose in life is to help fellow Muslims.
You bet it is but it is not only the stadium that we should worry about.
A woman escaped only with a few bruises after a romantically inclined Muslim Romeo could not cope with the ferocity of the lady's faithful pooch .
With regards to romancing the shy and elusive Muslim voter that is.
