Research reveals that in the 7th century there was a wide variety of marriages where often women had considerable power and independence ---look at Mohammad’s wife Khadia in the PRE-ISLAMIC world—so Islam did NOT improve the position of women but set in cement forever their inferior position as nothing more than readily disposable personal prostitutes and breeding cows for Muslim men. The Muslim man can obtain the use of her body for nothing (*Abu-Dawud Book 11, Number 2123) or a small payment (eg. iron ring,flour, dates, quotes from the Koran.. -*Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 80: *Abu-Dawud Book 11, Number 2105; *Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 72 ***..) and can divorce her whenever he feels like it without any payment at all or limited support for 3 months. Western society gives women equality, security and rights in marriage. The few rights afforded the Muslim woman are trivial.
According to the scholar Schacht (books on Islamic Law) 1960-70s -The Koran in a particular situation had encouraged polygamy and this from being an exception, now became one of the essential features of the Islamic Law of marriage. It led to a definite deterioration in the position of married women in society, compared with that which they had enjoyed in pre-Islamic Arabia.
Many have noted the decline in the position of women under Islam.
Judeo-Christian text eg Genesis 2.24 (Old Testament) states Man cleaves to his wife (singular) and Christianity which began at least 600 year earlier than Islam set one wife/one husband (Matthew 19.5-9). Judaism legally banned polygamy around the 10th century yet it can never be removed from Islam because it is in the Koran as a revelation from allah and it was practised by Mohammad, the perfect example---this also applies to child marriage, slavery, rape of slaves, stealing from infidels, killing infidels , beating women, ploughing them like fields etc...This is Islam and it cannot be changed.
Results of Islamic polygyny: destruction of equality between men and women:
1) Islamic polygyny and all that goes with it (paedophilia, violence etc), legalises the inequality of women and their abuse.
2) No equal partnership - men have multiple partners, women cannot.
3) No personal relationship:
a) The time to be spent with wives is dictated indicating that this is not a personal relationship but a functional one as in a brothel with a time limit! *Muslim hadiths: Book 8, No. 3445: (Even the length of time spent with wives is set down!)
b) Women are for breeding: Muslim men can't marry women who can't breed! *Abu-Dawud Book 11, No 2045:
c) Sexually experienced women are taboo (*Abu-Dawud Book 11, No 2046)
4) Results in distrust between spouses -----Loyalty - NO! Insecurity for women.
5) Domestic and psychological dysfunction – women lose their sense of value or self-worth and their status. No woman who values herself wants to be one of a tribe serviced by a so-called husband!
Insecurity for women. Smile!
6) Even if left technically married, (often older) ‘discarded women’ are still owned and controlled by their ‘husband’ leaving them without a personal life in emotional solitude, humiliated while he enjoys himself with other wives.
7) Misogynist - men have ownership and control over several women.
8) Social dysfunction ---eg. ‘Polygamy to blame for French riots’: A French minister blamed the uncontrolled behavious of French (Muslim!) youths on polygamous households (reference) .
One could also add attitudes to women that result in the rapes, beatings even burning alive of Muslim women in the French Islamic enclaves detailed by gang-raped exMuslim Samira Bellil in her book 'In the hell of the tournantes' 2002! Note ‘Impossible Family Dynamics of Islam’ By Nonie Darwish (reference)
9) Children learn from birth that women are of less value than men. Women don’t deserve exclusive love...are expendable etc (Islamic marriage isn’t love - marriages are often arranged, duties are set, the man obtains the woman’s body and can plough her as he wishes and divorce her with a few words. She has little power or control..)
10) Severe competition between siblings as new wives and children are added to the ‘family.’ Insecurity.
11) Women become competitors as any woman under Islam can become another wife with equal rights to an existing wife. This is worse than a wife and mistress as the mistress has fewer rights giving a wife and her children some stability and safety.
No-one forces a mistress to be a mistress.
Yes we have some of these problems already when couples divorce and remarry with new children etc but this is magnified many times under Islam’s sharia where men can have 4 (or more)wives and many concubines at a time and readily divorce them.
Yes we have some of these problems already when couples divorce and remarry with new children etc but this is magnified many times under Islam’s sharia where men can have 4 (or more)wives and many concubines at a time and readily divorce them.
There's NO abuse of women under Islam, it's just simple justice.
It’s nothing more than serial ‘polyprostitution’ of women... eg In Malaysia Muslim men can divorce their wives by SMS message! A Muslim Malasian man bragged of his 53rd marriage-(Age Oct/Nov 2004). A 64 year old Saudi male wed a 13 year old girl – his 58th marriage. He wants 2 more wives but since Islam only allows 4 at a time, he uses a ballot to get rid of the excess (Reported 16/3/04) and Saleh al-Sayeri, (Herald Sun 3/1/05 p26) has married 58 females in 50 years- his last a 14 year old! Saudi press reports claim half the marriages in Saudi Arabia break up!!
Phyllis Chesler stated:
In recent years, I fear that the "peace and love" crowd in the West has refused to understand how Islamism endangers Western values and lives, beginning with our commitment to women's rights and human rights. The Islamists who are beheading civilians, stoning Muslim women to death, jailing Muslim dissidents, and bombing civilians on every continent are now moving among us both in the East and in the West. While some feminist leaders and groups have come to publicize the atrocities against women in the Islamic world, they have not tied it to any feminist foreign policy. Women's studies programs should have been the first to sound the alarm. They do not. More than four decades after I was a virtual prisoner in Afghanistan, I realize how far the Western feminist movement has to go.(How Afghan Captivity Shaped My Feminism Middle East Quarterly Winter 2006, pp. 3-10 --please read ).
Yes, just wait for all those articles about how great Islam and polygyny is for women! There are many articles that show how Muslims use our laws and loopholes to obtain extra wives and extra welfare benefits throughout the west. Eg MUSLIM men in Australia are trawling "marriage websites" looking for second wives in what Immigration officials say is a growing illegal trade. They advertise for obedient wives...and bring them in on visitor’s visas!! ( reference April 09, 2006)
A couple of countries acknowledge Muslim polygamous marriages and now their taxpayers pay for private Muslim brothels and their society will pay for the diminishing status of women! And our feminists, ---HA, HA!
Foolish western cultural relativists claim we cannot interfere with the abuse of women under Islam because that is their culture/religion. BUT, all cultures/religious practices/values/attitudes are NOT equal or otherwise we would not work for a better world! Clearly many Muslims regard our values and laws as inferior to theirs for they ignore and undermine our laws and attempt to force their sharia with all its evil onto us! Islamic law allows the marriage of pre-pubescent children (ie 9 in Iran) is that OK?
A couple of countries acknowledge Muslim polygamous marriages and now their taxpayers pay for private Muslim brothels and their society will pay for the diminishing status of women! And our feminists, ---HA, HA!
Foolish western cultural relativists claim we cannot interfere with the abuse of women under Islam because that is their culture/religion. BUT, all cultures/religious practices/values/attitudes are NOT equal or otherwise we would not work for a better world! Clearly many Muslims regard our values and laws as inferior to theirs for they ignore and undermine our laws and attempt to force their sharia with all its evil onto us! Islamic law allows the marriage of pre-pubescent children (ie 9 in Iran) is that OK?
Do we have a single standard of HUMAN RIGHTS or NOT!! Do we stand by our values and laws or not!!
It hurts me more than it hurts you!
Peadophiles may want to have sex with children (note Mohammad’s fine example); Muslim men may want to enslave and rape your daughter as part of the booty promised in Islamic text etc but we don’t allow these things just because someone wants to do them.. nor should we allow polygyny even if Muslim men/women want it!!
But how do you stop these demanding, financially well backed Muslims with contacts and appeasers in high places as they press harder for sharia?
Is this a possibility?
The Telegraph reported in 2004 that Ireland "has ordered all men from Islamic countries seeking residency to sign a sworn affidavit rejecting polygamy. … A man must swear he has ‘one spouse only' and ‘has no intention of entering into a simultaneous marriage.'" Likewise, the Italian interior ministry has asked Muslim groups to agree to a "values charter" that promotes monogamous families and the equality of women. (from ‘Take My Wives, Please: Polygamy Heads West’ by David J. Rusin Pajamas Media February 29, 2008 - LINK )
We must immediately put in place similar practices with deportation etc for breaking them.
Yes, I know they will lie but we must enforce our values and practices and resolve to defeat sharia. We must also call for tightening of welfare payments as no doubt some ‘single’ Muslim women with children are also claiming welfare when they are really part of a Muslim man’s breeding herd. With DNA testing and some simple enquiries we should be able to determine the father and insist he pays for his children (this goes for non-Muslim males as well) but we must never legalise polygyny which institutionalises women’s inferiority or any other aspects of their unacceptable sharia!
We also need to take a close look at immigration criteria - a major one should be ability to fit into Australian society, protect our society and abide by our laws which Muslims fail as their allegiance is to the umma and they have a completely incompatible legal/governmental system as ‘Islam’ is actually a political system (religion/government/law) ie they come with a ‘blueprint’ and ‘duty’ to make our society into an Islamic one! We need to check who has power within our immigration department and who controls immigration applications in offices around the world. The persecuted non-Muslims in the Islamic world (Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahai, Zoroastrians, etc) MUST be given priority but can they even apply if Muslims control the offices?? Don’t imagine western educated Muslims are any less dedicated to installing Islam in all its ‘glory.’
All this requires a public and government that knows the true danger of Islam -- We’re working on it!
References:
Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib; Reliance of the Traveler: A classic manual of Islamic sacred law. In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller amana publications Maryland USA 1994
Sirat Rusulallah by Ibn Ishaq Translated by A. Guillaume. Fifteenth Impression, 2001 Published by Oxford University Press, Karachi, Pakistan ).Note verse numbers can vary within translations. Many 'English' versions are very 'sanitised' or 'mistranslated.'
Most text available at HERE for hadiths and HERE for Koran.
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Circe,
Great article.
Don’t imagine western educated Muslims are any less dedicated to installing Islam in all its ‘glory."
On the contrary - they are by far the most dangerous as they lure is into thinking they share our values just because they wear Western suits and talk like us.
Great article.
Don’t imagine western educated Muslims are any less dedicated to installing Islam in all its ‘glory."
On the contrary - they are by far the most dangerous as they lure is into thinking they share our values just because they wear Western suits and talk like us.
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July 08, 2008
The picture of a male Muslim taking a picture of whatever that is clad in black Muslim rags shows you the mentality of a Muslim brain. What's within those rags? Is it something? Is it males? Women? By looking at the picture you could never prove anything, only guess. That's typically Islam. It doesn't make sense. Islam is topsy-turvy, so convoluted in every thing. Some people call Islam the "Dark Ages, 7th century mentality." Apparently they're correct. When will Islam make progress?
I feel specially for the women and children. I wish I knew how we could rescue them from all that suffering and wickedness heaped on them by satanic Islam. We need male heroes in high places that could make a difference, but I don't see them. If those in high places are not outright cowards, they are dhimmis. It's sad.
I feel specially for the women and children. I wish I knew how we could rescue them from all that suffering and wickedness heaped on them by satanic Islam. We need male heroes in high places that could make a difference, but I don't see them. If those in high places are not outright cowards, they are dhimmis. It's sad.
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July 08, 2008
'Foolish western cultural relativists claim we cannot interfere with the abuse of women under Islam because that is their culture/religion'
This is a very frequent objection made to those who try to bring up the subject of the oppression of women in Islam. It is a kind of culturnal imperialism if you think about it - because it is saying - that Islam means so little to us - those people have their 'funny little customs' and we do not let that bother us 'doing lunch' and having our lattes. But what these women don't realise, is that it will affect them - their sons or daughter may want to marry a Muslim, someone may wnat to build a madrassah in their suburb, or build a mosque near them, or introduce shariah law in their area. It will affect them whether they like it or not and then they will draw the line quick and smart and squeal about it.
And in any case, why did they belly ache about Africa and apartheid? That was another culture - why did they 'interfere' then?? The reality is that they are hypocritical and inconsistent in what they support.
This is a very frequent objection made to those who try to bring up the subject of the oppression of women in Islam. It is a kind of culturnal imperialism if you think about it - because it is saying - that Islam means so little to us - those people have their 'funny little customs' and we do not let that bother us 'doing lunch' and having our lattes. But what these women don't realise, is that it will affect them - their sons or daughter may want to marry a Muslim, someone may wnat to build a madrassah in their suburb, or build a mosque near them, or introduce shariah law in their area. It will affect them whether they like it or not and then they will draw the line quick and smart and squeal about it.
And in any case, why did they belly ache about Africa and apartheid? That was another culture - why did they 'interfere' then?? The reality is that they are hypocritical and inconsistent in what they support.
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July 08, 2008
It is very educational to visit Islamic Da'wah Foundation Malaysia, which a religious body maintained by Malaysian government.
This is what this enlightened,modern government body has to say about women:
This is what this enlightened,modern government body has to say about women:
Women have been created with nine portions of desire and one portion of intelligence in comparison to man. Desire here does not mean purely sex but in this case it means the ability to lose patience, become easily angered, presuming, wasteful and spendthrift etc. Based on this women need to be led or guided by men so that every act or action is not undertaken hastily in accordance with one´s emotions.
Intelligence must be accompanied with patience. Both these must be with a husband. Patience without intelligence will cause the husband to abide by every decision of his wife, so much so that the wife becomes in charge of affairs. Whereas intelligence without patience will cause the husband to fall victim of his desire (nafsu), causing him to act violently which can become a danger to his wife. Without patience a person will lose the capacity to reach balanced intelligent decisions.
Men are sometimes known to loose their patience in the presence of women who are not too bright. However, it cannot be denied that some women do take time to understand a thing, however, men should be conscious of this reality concerning women who are generally slow in their thinking. Therefore, men should be prepared to train their wives with love and affection without getting tired over it, even though it may take a long time.
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July 08, 2008
Circe,
I wish I had a dollar for every time a muslim has told me that "Islam liberated women 1400 years ago". And that from some well educated people. Your article is SO CLEAR, I aks myself why dont muslims get it?
"The Telegraph reported in 2004 that Ireland has ordered all men from Islamic countries seeking residency to sign a sworn affidavit rejecting polygamy."
We are aware that n***rian men arrive with a pregnant wife, who gives birth and obtains citizenship. The man divorces her after a few children are born as Irish citizens and returns to n***ria or Somalia and repeats the exercise!
They can always get around the laws!
Philip, the picture of the muslim man taking a photo of his wives. PRICELESS!
Dan, your extract from Malaysia reminded me of the first book I read about the status of women in Islam called "Nine Parts of Desire" by Geraldine Brooks. First published in 1995 it still gives a clear insight into Islamic practices.
I wish I had a dollar for every time a muslim has told me that "Islam liberated women 1400 years ago". And that from some well educated people. Your article is SO CLEAR, I aks myself why dont muslims get it?
"The Telegraph reported in 2004 that Ireland has ordered all men from Islamic countries seeking residency to sign a sworn affidavit rejecting polygamy."
We are aware that n***rian men arrive with a pregnant wife, who gives birth and obtains citizenship. The man divorces her after a few children are born as Irish citizens and returns to n***ria or Somalia and repeats the exercise!
They can always get around the laws!
Philip, the picture of the muslim man taking a photo of his wives. PRICELESS!
Dan, your extract from Malaysia reminded me of the first book I read about the status of women in Islam called "Nine Parts of Desire" by Geraldine Brooks. First published in 1995 it still gives a clear insight into Islamic practices.
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July 08, 2008
Circe, Wendy,
You are right when you say Islam's attitude towards women will affect us all. We cannot ignore it, because it is happening on our doorstep.
There are stories, but I don't know how true they are, that the little girl Madelaine who went missing in Portugal was taken by an Arab couple onto a boat and is now in Morocco. A little blond girl would be a perfect wife for some old Arab. Just hope it isn't true.
You are right when you say Islam's attitude towards women will affect us all. We cannot ignore it, because it is happening on our doorstep.
There are stories, but I don't know how true they are, that the little girl Madelaine who went missing in Portugal was taken by an Arab couple onto a boat and is now in Morocco. A little blond girl would be a perfect wife for some old Arab. Just hope it isn't true.
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July 08, 2008
Yes, Geoff, I also get the lie 'Islam liberated women' --when in fact the opposite is true! The repression of women is set in cement for eternity! Mohammad ensured that Muslim women would never get the power, wealth (Khadia inherited much of her wealth from her second husband)and social standing that Khadia had in the pre-islamic world. Khadia had authoirity over men---she ran a business and hired and fired but Muslim women cannot have authority over men, her word is worth less and useless without male witnesses in many cases eg rape etc. Islamic text states women are inferior and populate hell.
Islam's abuse of women is massive and even Islamic text tells us Muslim women were more repressed than others eg --Aisha says she has never seen women suffer more than the believing women; --Mohammad's men feared their women would copy the practices of another group whose women supposedly had the 'upper hand' over their men; --hadith claim Mohammad, thanks to a revelation from allah, said men could beat women when his men complained that women had become emboldened; --the free, independent women of Mecca fought against Mohammad...
How can people be blind to the abuse of women under Islam? I don't know but many are!! An even bigger joke are the so-called 'Muslim feminists' so obviously feminism means something different under Islam but so does 'peace; justice, equality, tolerance, freedom....'
I read one Muslim female claiming Islamic dictates that control every aspect of your life were 'liberating' because you always knew what to do ----ie don't deviate, don't THINK!!
Islam's abuse of women is massive and even Islamic text tells us Muslim women were more repressed than others eg --Aisha says she has never seen women suffer more than the believing women; --Mohammad's men feared their women would copy the practices of another group whose women supposedly had the 'upper hand' over their men; --hadith claim Mohammad, thanks to a revelation from allah, said men could beat women when his men complained that women had become emboldened; --the free, independent women of Mecca fought against Mohammad...
How can people be blind to the abuse of women under Islam? I don't know but many are!! An even bigger joke are the so-called 'Muslim feminists' so obviously feminism means something different under Islam but so does 'peace; justice, equality, tolerance, freedom....'
I read one Muslim female claiming Islamic dictates that control every aspect of your life were 'liberating' because you always knew what to do ----ie don't deviate, don't THINK!!
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July 08, 2008
Great article in The Australian today
The Australian
Western society's war within
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23984418-7583,00.html
The Australian
Western society's war within
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23984418-7583,00.html
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July 08, 2008
That was a great article, but a few more points bear mentioning. Egypt just lowered the age of marriage back down to 9, and a bill which would have upped the age to 18 in Yemen was just shot down; the majority of 15-year-olds in Yemen are married.
Polygamy also causes a few more problems, aside from its obvious effects on the family and on the issue of trust in the Muslim world. It leads to malignant narcissism, which is an incurable mental illness and the leading cause of terrorism and most atrocities committed in this world. It's no accident that Bin Laden's mother was his father's least favorite wife. Read this excellent article by my man Jamie Glazov: http://nospank.net/glazov.htm . It also leads to a general sexual frustration among young men, since women would rather be the 3rd or 4th wife of some rich dude than be with a pauper, causing a shortage of parasitic sex slave baby factories in the Muslim world (since that's all women are under Islam). This also contributes to terrorism. It also leads to economic problems, since women tend to spend their husbands' money as fast as they can so that they can't acquire another wife.
It's also interesting to note that the Koran uses 1 word, 'nikah,' to refer interchangeably to sex, rape, marriage, prostitution (since marriage in Islam IS institutionalized prostitution/sexual slavery), and child molestation, and incest. Love, partership, romance are never factors, but property and money always are. Also, contrary to popular belief, men do not tell their wives "I divorce you" 3 times; they say "you are repudiated." This is characteristic Muslim thinking, whereby nobody ever accepts any responsibility for their own actions, hence the passive construction, and 'repudiated' means fired, as in 'your SERVICES are no longer needed.'
Nice folks. >:(
Polygamy also causes a few more problems, aside from its obvious effects on the family and on the issue of trust in the Muslim world. It leads to malignant narcissism, which is an incurable mental illness and the leading cause of terrorism and most atrocities committed in this world. It's no accident that Bin Laden's mother was his father's least favorite wife. Read this excellent article by my man Jamie Glazov: http://nospank.net/glazov.htm . It also leads to a general sexual frustration among young men, since women would rather be the 3rd or 4th wife of some rich dude than be with a pauper, causing a shortage of parasitic sex slave baby factories in the Muslim world (since that's all women are under Islam). This also contributes to terrorism. It also leads to economic problems, since women tend to spend their husbands' money as fast as they can so that they can't acquire another wife.
It's also interesting to note that the Koran uses 1 word, 'nikah,' to refer interchangeably to sex, rape, marriage, prostitution (since marriage in Islam IS institutionalized prostitution/sexual slavery), and child molestation, and incest. Love, partership, romance are never factors, but property and money always are. Also, contrary to popular belief, men do not tell their wives "I divorce you" 3 times; they say "you are repudiated." This is characteristic Muslim thinking, whereby nobody ever accepts any responsibility for their own actions, hence the passive construction, and 'repudiated' means fired, as in 'your SERVICES are no longer needed.'
Nice folks. >:(
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July 09, 2008
jdamn13,
Thanks for the update.
Not that the "adjustments" to the Egyptian law surprise me too much.
Egypt is just a time bomb ready to explode any minute now.
As soon as the old (weakening) regime collapses (and it will) Sharia will rule.
Egypt just lowered the age of marriage back down to 9
Thanks for the update.
Not that the "adjustments" to the Egyptian law surprise me too much.
Egypt is just a time bomb ready to explode any minute now.
As soon as the old (weakening) regime collapses (and it will) Sharia will rule.
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July 09, 2008
You are not even safe in Scotland!
Another muslim acting like a TRUE muslim.
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Muslim-leader-found-guilty-of.4278671.jp
Another muslim acting like a TRUE muslim.
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Muslim-leader-found-guilty-of.4278671.jp
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July 12, 2008
Arab News, mouthpiece for the Saudi govt., in the last week had three articles on the sanctity of muslim marriage. The court refused to grant a divorce to a woman who, as a ten year old, was married to an old man against her will. The dowry had been paid, that made it legal. A 16 year old, whose parents had divorced when she was born and who was brought up by her grandmother without ever meeting her father needed a birth certificate for school. At the ministry they told her that according to their records she was married at the age of 10 to a man now 80. Her father had arranged it and been paid 30,000 rials. She got her divorce after some benefactor repaid her "husband" the dowry.
Another cute story was a guy getting married, he was alone at the mosque- still got married- because his wife and mia were in an accident and landed up in hospital. On Sunday there was an outcry about a 60 year old marrying at 10 year old. Today's news is about how they are going about modernizing the country. In the bad old days, a woman could not travel without permission from her maram - husband, father or brother, they had to go to the ministry of keeping woman in their place and sing a permission form. That ancient system has finally been done away with. The maram will be given a pin # and they can now do it over the internet.
Another cute story was a guy getting married, he was alone at the mosque- still got married- because his wife and mia were in an accident and landed up in hospital. On Sunday there was an outcry about a 60 year old marrying at 10 year old. Today's news is about how they are going about modernizing the country. In the bad old days, a woman could not travel without permission from her maram - husband, father or brother, they had to go to the ministry of keeping woman in their place and sing a permission form. That ancient system has finally been done away with. The maram will be given a pin # and they can now do it over the internet.
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July 16, 2008
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