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n the wake of an appalling tide of anti-democratic speakers invited onto our campuses, (See for example
Brisbane Terrorist Talkfest, RMIT's Human Rights Centre, Catholic dhimmitude and treason, Waleed Aly – man of many talents!, The Academe Tip Toes Around Islam, Surely RMIT doesn’t fund TERROR!
RMIT EMBRACES ISLAM, Interfaith Dialogue on Campus) it was refreshing to finally hear a speaker who was on the side of democracy. What’s more, the audience was quiet and respectful, with no hecklers in sight. Let’s hope this signifies the return of civil discourse on campus.
On Thursday 17 April, Daniel Pipes , director of the Middle East Forum and Taube/Diller distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University, spoke at Monash University on "Threats to the existence of Israel: why it's back and how to deal with it."
n the wake of an appalling tide of anti-democratic speakers invited onto our campuses, (See for exampleBrisbane Terrorist Talkfest, RMIT's Human Rights Centre, Catholic dhimmitude and treason, Waleed Aly – man of many talents!, The Academe Tip Toes Around Islam, Surely RMIT doesn’t fund TERROR!
RMIT EMBRACES ISLAM, Interfaith Dialogue on Campus) it was refreshing to finally hear a speaker who was on the side of democracy. What’s more, the audience was quiet and respectful, with no hecklers in sight. Let’s hope this signifies the return of civil discourse on campus.
On Thursday 17 April, Daniel Pipes , director of the Middle East Forum and Taube/Diller distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University, spoke at Monash University on "Threats to the existence of Israel: why it's back and how to deal with it."
He was introduced by Joel Burnie, AIJAC /Stand with Us student program co-ordinator, whose role is promotion of Israeli culture and raising awareness of Israel on Australian university campuses, with the aim of furthering constructive dialogue and increasing the number and quality of differing viewpoints available on campus.
This initiative is welcome and long overdue. For too long, Islamists and their enablers, who promote an
anti-democratic narrative and stifle dissenting voices, have dominated campus discourse. Academia and the media constantly bombard us with horror stories of the plight of the Palestinians (and indeed few would deny they suffer terribly), but ignore the Islamists’ role in this suffering. Many in the media rush to castigate Israel, none more eager to espouse the “good Palestinian/evil Israel” formula than Ed O’Loughlin from The Age, Hamas supporter par excellence. Palestinian support groups have long been active on campus, demonising Israel and the West. (For just one example of Palestinian propaganda, see “Australian government continues its love affair with Israel“ by Sonja Karkar. Women for Palestine. 28 February 2008 ... )
Dr. Pipes began by saying that Israel at 60 had much to boast of, with a stable democracy and liberal culture. But for all its accomplishments, the country lived under a curse – the threat of extinction, including Iranian weapons of mass destruction, conventional military attacks, terrorism and economic boycotts, along with a demographic assault, the ideological undermining of Israel, and the emergence of post-Zionism, which is in fact anti-Zionism. No other state in history has faced such assaults, with explicit calls for Israel’s elimination, including the call for a bi-national State, which would signal the end of a sovereign Jewish State. The Arab world ranged from overt calls for elimination by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah, to implicit ones, including the Palestinians claimed right of return and maps and guide books pretending there is no country called Israel, just Palestine. Dr. Pipes believes this stems from the increased power of radical Islam, which is deeply anti-Semitic, plus the re-emergence of Iran. The left has turned against Israel, influenced by Edward Said, George Galloway, Pilger and Chomsky, and professors and journalists can be heard saying Israel is a mistake.
This initiative is welcome and long overdue. For too long, Islamists and their enablers, who promote an
anti-democratic narrative and stifle dissenting voices, have dominated campus discourse. Academia and the media constantly bombard us with horror stories of the plight of the Palestinians (and indeed few would deny they suffer terribly), but ignore the Islamists’ role in this suffering. Many in the media rush to castigate Israel, none more eager to espouse the “good Palestinian/evil Israel” formula than Ed O’Loughlin from The Age, Hamas supporter par excellence. Palestinian support groups have long been active on campus, demonising Israel and the West. (For just one example of Palestinian propaganda, see “Australian government continues its love affair with Israel“ by Sonja Karkar. Women for Palestine. 28 February 2008 ... )Dr. Pipes began by saying that Israel at 60 had much to boast of, with a stable democracy and liberal culture. But for all its accomplishments, the country lived under a curse – the threat of extinction, including Iranian weapons of mass destruction, conventional military attacks, terrorism and economic boycotts, along with a demographic assault, the ideological undermining of Israel, and the emergence of post-Zionism, which is in fact anti-Zionism. No other state in history has faced such assaults, with explicit calls for Israel’s elimination, including the call for a bi-national State, which would signal the end of a sovereign Jewish State. The Arab world ranged from overt calls for elimination by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah, to implicit ones, including the Palestinians claimed right of return and maps and guide books pretending there is no country called Israel, just Palestine. Dr. Pipes believes this stems from the increased power of radical Islam, which is deeply anti-Semitic, plus the re-emergence of Iran. The left has turned against Israel, influenced by Edward Said, George Galloway, Pilger and Chomsky, and professors and journalists can be heard saying Israel is a mistake.
Working tirelessly abroad and in Australia to destroy the state of Israel - (from Left to Right): Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Red Ken Livingstone, George Galloway, Bruce Baird, Tim Fischer, Sonja Karkar, Mal Fraser, Maria Vamvakinou, Ed O’Loughlin, Julia Irwin, Kathy Kelly
But there is another factor– mistakes by Israel and the West. From 1948-93, Israel had a policy where victory was the goal, but from the early 1990s, they started trying to convince the enemy to leave them alone by making concessions, encouraged by their Western friends; in other words, appeasement. So what war achieved, diplomacy undid. Israel is still in appeasement mode, as nobody today talks of defeating the Palestinians, whose goal of eliminating Israel remains, while Israel’s goal is to win the acceptance of its neighbours, rather than victory. But one side must win and one lose, as the conflict will end only when one side gives up. The conventional view that Palestinians have grievances gives them a sense of exhilaration; if they perceived things were going badly, they would give up. So Israel must make it appear to Palestinian that they can’t win, by crushing their will and getting them to give up their aim of destroying Israel. The Palestinians must first be defeated before there are any more Israel concessions. Israel and Western governments could assist this by withholding aid, arms and recognition, and discontinuing final status talks.
When asked if there was a parallel with the West and Radical Islam, Pipes said there was, and that we needed to identify the enemy - Radical Islam - before we could defeat it. So what’s the lesson for Australia? Well, Israel is a paradigm of a functioning liberal democracy, under threat from Radical Islam. Australia’s democracy is also, albeit to a lesser extent, under threat from Islam, which demands privileges not given to other Australians, while legislation and political correctness prevents us discussing Islam. We need to reassert our will and stand up for our culture before it is too late.
Radical political groups have long been active demonising Israel
Our former PM, John Howard, applauded Israel and was last year awarded the Jerusalem Prize at a JNF function in Melbourne. The radical left and Friends of Palestine staged a protest outside the venue, urging protestors to “picket John Howard and end all ties with apartheid Israel now.” (see Protesting for Racism). Luckily, support for democracy is bipartisan, with PM Kevin Rudd passing a motion for the 60th anniversary of the State of Israel-
That the House:
(1) celebrate and commend the achievements of the State of Israel in the 60 years since its inception
(2) remember with pride and honour the important role which Australia played in the establishment of the State of Israel as both a member state of the United Nations and as an influential voice in the introduction of Resolution 181 which facilitated Israel’s statehood, and as the country which proudly became the first to cast a vote in support of Israel’s creation
(3) acknowledge the unique relationship which exists between Australia and Israel a bond highlighted by our commitment to the rights and liberty of our citizens and encouragement of cultural diversity
(4) commend the State of Israel’s commitment to democracy, the Rule of Law and pluralism .”
Sadly, he rather undid the effect by supporting “the ongoing negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority towards a final status agreement by the end of 2008, as launched at the Annapolis Conference” and pledging a $45 million assistance package!Victims of radical brainwashing
Dr Pipes has had a busy time on his visit. Writing in The Australian, he posed the question "Europe or Eurabia?" speculating whether Europe would become part of the Muslim world, retain its cultural identify or achieve a creative synthesis of the two. He emphasised Europe’s future development would affect all humanity, especially countries such as Australia. Pipes felt Islamisation was not inevitable, arguing that as Indigenous Europeans make up 95per cent of the continent's population, they could resist it and reassert control should they see Muslims posing a threat to a valued way of life. He pointed to examples of this already happening, with the French anti-hijab legislation or Geert Wilders's film, Fitna and the rise of anti-immigrant parties, with mainstream parties likely to expropriate their anti-Islamic message. He warned that violence by indigenous Europeans, though unlikely, could not be precluded, but that Muslims were more likely to initiate violence. He surmised a European reassertion was likely to lead to on-going civil strife, perhaps a more lethal version of the 2005 riots in France, and although the ideal outcome would be indigenous Europeans and immigrant Muslims coexisting in a new harmonious synthesis, felt that prospects for this seemed dim.
“One can virtually dismiss from consideration the prospect of Muslims accepting historic Europe and integrating within it.” (source)
Dr. Pipes also took part in a debate in Sydney, speaking for the motion “Islam is Incompatible with Democracy”, chaired by author and broadcaster, George Negus, whose book, The World From Islam, was praised by the Hamas-supporting ICV. Interestingly Waleed Aly, who opposed the motion, is a spokesperson for the same ICV, as well as being a lecturer in the Global Terrorism Research Centre at Monash University. Dr. Pipes argued that Islam was undemocratic in spirit:
"It takes a lot of learning to have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association. These are things that are learnt over a period of time and it is that which the West has achieved and which Islam is a long way from learning. Yes, there are Muslim states which are democratic in form, but true democracy is yet to take root. The great obstacle to this change is the fact that in the Middle East the social system is fundamentally tribal and that obstructs the development of the key requisites of democracy."
Samina Yasmeen, from the University of Western Australia's Centre for Muslim States and Societies, rebutted this:
"How is it, though, that Muslims in non-Muslim societies are able to get on so well when Islam is incompatible? I would argue that Muslim majority states do show a lot of tolerance, not only of the Muslim community, but also of the non-Muslim community."
Amina Rasul followed the theme:
"What the West should not do is criticise states which are not democratic while supporting despots who suppress human rights because it is in their economic benefit…There are 800 million Muslims living happily and successfully in democratic nations - why is it that the extremes are always focused on?"
Waleed Aly complained:
"My opponents have defined terms such as Islam and Sharia law to suit their arguments and in so doing have ignored the myriad interpretations of these terms."A poll conducted as the audience entered found 38 per cent for the affirmative, 42 per cent for the negative and the remaining 20 per cent undecided. By the end of the night, the proposition was defeated by a narrow margin of 52 to 48 per cent. (see Islam Is Compatible!! )
Waleed Aly pursued his assertion that Islam is compatible in an article in the Sydney Morning Herald:
”The people are speaking: democratic Islam is no contradiction.” (reference)
Whilst admitting elections in countries like Egypt were not democratic, he felt the recent Malaysian election “suggested an improving democratic environment there”, that “Turkey, despite an authoritarian streak, has a reasonably well-functioning democracy… and Indonesia has made astonishing progress in the decade since emerging from the Soeharto dictatorship.
Waleed argues that as:
“Islamic consciousness is alive and well in these nations,” it follows that “religiosity does not compromise their democratic aspirations,” concluding “whatever prevents the great majority of the Muslim world from realising democracy, Islam is not that barrier.”
Waleed cites statistics to support his contention, with a 2007 Gallup poll of Muslims in 10 countries finding a majority in favour of democracy, including:
"freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion" and an "admiration of liberty and freedom of expression in the West".
Waleed admits Muslims think about democracy in slightly different ways to the West: –
“they seek a democracy that reflects the Islamic values of their societies, but does not place power in the hands of clerics,” but argues we should “welcome the fact that most Muslims feel comfortable being both democratic and devout.”
Much as I would like to agree with Waleed’s conclusions, anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Islam would realise that the two are incompatible, as Islam mandates a superior position for Muslims and relegates others to a subjugated status. Moreover, voting does not a democracy make; it should be the last stage in the process, once the infrastructure for a civil society is set up.According to Waleed Aly Muslims are full of admiration for liberty and freedom of expression in the West.
To conclude, it was a privilege to hear a speaker of such a high calibre as Dr. Pipes, and we can only hope, for the sake of Australia, to hear many more quality speakers on campus. As for Waleed’s claims of Islam’s compatibility with democracy, I’m afraid I must agree with Dr. Pipes’ premise that Islam is undemocratic in spirit, and recent world events would certainly confirm this.
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Thank god for people like Daniel Pipes and for the young Australians like Joel Burnie who will educate us all on what these muslims are really up to! I only hope more people, especially in our Universities will speak out and stand up for democracy. The more I research about our Universities and how they are being "taken over" by muslims and their corrupt money, the more it sickens me. And what happens to our kids attending these uni's? Do they get separate toilets and places to relax away from muslims? Our children have to "tolerate" these muslims DEMANDS for whatever they want. Muslims say they want to assimilate and integrate, then how can they do this by asking to be segregated. It is a disgrace!
I have recently been reading on a muslim chat site about what they talk to each other about, and I can't believe how intolerant and demanding they are. On one story I read about they were complaining about how their prayer rooms were taken away. This is what they wrote:
"Dear Brothers and Sisters at The University of Melbourne,
The difficult situation that Muslim students at The University of Melbourne are faced with as a result of having their prayer facility withdrawn from them during the last few months is indeed a major problem, however we can Insha'Allah benefit from this injustice.
There appears to be some sort of agenda behind the removal of Muslim prayer facilities in universities in Melbourne and replacing them with inter-faith prayer facilities.
The University of Melbourne is ranked 19 in the world and promotes itself as a university that "appreciates cultural diversity in outlook, values and understanding". Sadly it is unable to provide more than four hundred of its Muslim students with a decent prayer faculty to fulfill their religious obligations.
What we can do:
•Raise awareness within the Muslim community on this issue and gain support through whatever means we can (yahoogroups, forums, community centers, mosques).
•Request Muslim organizations and community leaders to stand for this cause.
•Carry out the regular congregational prayers in a specific open area of the University where you will be seen by a large number of the student population. Please remind the brothers to bring their prayer mats and bottles of water to make wudu (ablution) in the scheduled prayer area. This is also a good way of doing da'wa.
•The jumua (Friday) prayer should be held in the same area and students of other universities should be encouraged to attend this prayer.
•If an immediate response is not achieved then all Muslim students and their supporters should carry out weekly demonstrations around the university after the Jumua Prayer. National and International media should be invited to report on the demonstration.
•Draw up a petition and distribute flyers describing the situation.
•Get the student Union, The Equal Opportunities Commission and other student and human rights organizations involved.
•Contact the various Embassies and get them to raise this issue with the university's administration and advise them to direct their students to the universities that are more culturally sensitive.
Remember that ALL other Universities in Melbourne provide their Muslim students with a prayer facility EXCEPT The University of Melbourne.
Brothers and sisters the right to a decent Muslim prayer facility is yours. No one is doing you any favors. You are paying for this service and so should stand for it."
Way to go Melbourne UNI. It is a shame the rest of them don't follow suit. We should all stop giving in to their demands.Before it is too late!
I have recently been reading on a muslim chat site about what they talk to each other about, and I can't believe how intolerant and demanding they are. On one story I read about they were complaining about how their prayer rooms were taken away. This is what they wrote:
"Dear Brothers and Sisters at The University of Melbourne,
The difficult situation that Muslim students at The University of Melbourne are faced with as a result of having their prayer facility withdrawn from them during the last few months is indeed a major problem, however we can Insha'Allah benefit from this injustice.
There appears to be some sort of agenda behind the removal of Muslim prayer facilities in universities in Melbourne and replacing them with inter-faith prayer facilities.
The University of Melbourne is ranked 19 in the world and promotes itself as a university that "appreciates cultural diversity in outlook, values and understanding". Sadly it is unable to provide more than four hundred of its Muslim students with a decent prayer faculty to fulfill their religious obligations.
What we can do:
•Raise awareness within the Muslim community on this issue and gain support through whatever means we can (yahoogroups, forums, community centers, mosques).
•Request Muslim organizations and community leaders to stand for this cause.
•Carry out the regular congregational prayers in a specific open area of the University where you will be seen by a large number of the student population. Please remind the brothers to bring their prayer mats and bottles of water to make wudu (ablution) in the scheduled prayer area. This is also a good way of doing da'wa.
•The jumua (Friday) prayer should be held in the same area and students of other universities should be encouraged to attend this prayer.
•If an immediate response is not achieved then all Muslim students and their supporters should carry out weekly demonstrations around the university after the Jumua Prayer. National and International media should be invited to report on the demonstration.
•Draw up a petition and distribute flyers describing the situation.
•Get the student Union, The Equal Opportunities Commission and other student and human rights organizations involved.
•Contact the various Embassies and get them to raise this issue with the university's administration and advise them to direct their students to the universities that are more culturally sensitive.
Remember that ALL other Universities in Melbourne provide their Muslim students with a prayer facility EXCEPT The University of Melbourne.
Brothers and sisters the right to a decent Muslim prayer facility is yours. No one is doing you any favors. You are paying for this service and so should stand for it."
Way to go Melbourne UNI. It is a shame the rest of them don't follow suit. We should all stop giving in to their demands.Before it is too late!
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April 27, 2008
Excellent and informative Cassandra - we need to know what is being said at these attempts to raise awareness about the nature of Islam. The irony is that I think most Muslims in Islamic countries would assert that Islam is incompatible with democracy. I think once Muslims migrate to democaratic countries, they like what they see as it is so much better than where they came from - and they then say blithely ' Oh yes, democracy and Islam are compatible' because they simply think they can live in ademocratic society. However, there is verylittle understanding of the long history f development in the west that has favoured the development of the unique phenomenon of demoracy- and it IS unique when you compare it with other systems. And the reality also is that Islamic regimes are all serial tyrannies with no universal principles of human respect. I wonder if readers know that the Husseini the Mufti of Jerusalem in WW2 knew Hitler and helped propagate Hitler's vile antisemitic policies. The following clip has a bit of German at the beginning but it goes on with English subtitles and explains some of the deep dirty Islamic Islamo- Nazi links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU
The real successor of fascism is Islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU
The real successor of fascism is Islam.
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April 27, 2008
If Muslims want their own prayer rooms or whatever, why don't they do what the Catholic Church does here in the States? The Catholic Church builds what they call Newman Clubs, off colleges campuses, for Catholic students. The Catholics don't ask Muslims, or anyone else, to build them.
Can you imagine the stink, er, I mean violence, you would see if Jews and/or Christians asked Muslims for special favors. The war would only exacerbate ten fold.
The Muslim men are intolerable because of their bad ideology. They are taught that they are better than others. To Muslim males, everyone else is second class or worse, even their own women. The Muslim religion is, of course, very evil because it comes from Allah, the god of hatred and disorder. One of Allah's names, if you recall, is The Best Deceiver. Notice that Allah has deceived only Muslims and not Christians and Jews. The clever Christians and Jews will never be taken in by that idiot Allah.
I'm speaking to those Muslim males who have almost crawled out of their caves. Why don't you stop and do a little more thinking? See if you can become tolerable and lovable. Can't you realize that your religion is built on hatred? Why do you really think that you are better than others, even better than your own beautiful mothers and sisters? Why no shame?
Dear Christians, know your enemy and get more involved. If you don't, some day you'll see the day when old, lecherous Muslim males, usually very ugly, will be marrying your eight and nine year old little daughters and/or granddaughters. Aussies, have a nice day.
Can you imagine the stink, er, I mean violence, you would see if Jews and/or Christians asked Muslims for special favors. The war would only exacerbate ten fold.
The Muslim men are intolerable because of their bad ideology. They are taught that they are better than others. To Muslim males, everyone else is second class or worse, even their own women. The Muslim religion is, of course, very evil because it comes from Allah, the god of hatred and disorder. One of Allah's names, if you recall, is The Best Deceiver. Notice that Allah has deceived only Muslims and not Christians and Jews. The clever Christians and Jews will never be taken in by that idiot Allah.
I'm speaking to those Muslim males who have almost crawled out of their caves. Why don't you stop and do a little more thinking? See if you can become tolerable and lovable. Can't you realize that your religion is built on hatred? Why do you really think that you are better than others, even better than your own beautiful mothers and sisters? Why no shame?
Dear Christians, know your enemy and get more involved. If you don't, some day you'll see the day when old, lecherous Muslim males, usually very ugly, will be marrying your eight and nine year old little daughters and/or granddaughters. Aussies, have a nice day.
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April 27, 2008
Philip Saenz- while I know of Muslims who have converted out of Islam to become Catholics or Protestant Christians, I also know of reverse situations. One lady, a Catholic, told me of her son who met a Muslim woman and now has 'converted' to Islam- I put the word 'convert' in inverted commas because it sounds to me as if it was more the romance rather than knowledge of Islam that led to the conversion. It has torn the family apart. The fellow has married the girl and had a child - and has become very hesitant and uncaring about his former family. He does not allow any discussion of any other faith and has virtually severed relations with his mother, father and siblings. The mother is distraught, the father and siblings sad. The Muslim wife does not seem to care one jot and the sum total of the conversion is total misery. What kind of a spouse does not care for her husband's family? But that is the way she is.
The mother now prays for her son constantly to get out of Islam and trusts in God that one day he will see the light. Until then, there is nothing good that has come out of the conversion - only division, sorrow and rudeness.
The mother now prays for her son constantly to get out of Islam and trusts in God that one day he will see the light. Until then, there is nothing good that has come out of the conversion - only division, sorrow and rudeness.
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April 27, 2008
A bit off topic ...
Griffith Madrassah is finally getting some exposure it thoroughly deserves:
LINK
Griffith Madrassah is finally getting some exposure it thoroughly deserves:
LINK
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April 27, 2008
For those readers outside Australia, here is a short biography of Sir John Monash, one of Australia's greatest military commanders,after whom the university is named.
Soon after the outbreak of the First World War, Monash was appointed commander of the 4th Infantry Brigade of the Australian Imperial Force. He commanded his brigade throughout the Gallipoli campaign.
Later, Monash was given command of the 3rd Australian Division and promoted to major-general. In France, the Division's first major battle was at Messines in June 1917. Other battles included those at Broodseinde, Passchendaele and the defence of Amiens.
In early 1918, Monash was made a Knight Commander of the Bath, was appointed commander of the Australian Corps and promoted to lieutenant-general. His military reputation reached new heights with the outstanding success of the Battle of Hamel in July which involved the collaboration of infantry, artillery, tanks and aircraft. From 8 August onwards there was a succession of victories, culminating in the breaking of the Hindenburg Line. Monash was admired for his intellect, meticulous planning, articulate communication of what was expected, and his ability to extract the best from his staff.
In his final years the cause closest to his heart was the building of the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne.
Sir John Monash died on 8 October 1931 and was given a State funeral. An estimated 250 000 mourners, the nation's largest funeral crowd to that time, came to pay their respects.
This man was the son of immigrants. This fact and the fact he was Jewish never prevented Australians admiring him. Aussies are like that: we believe in a fair go for everyone who puts in to our country. We don't like bludgers, whingers and those who come here to harm our beautiful land.
We are an egalitarian society; that's why Islam will never take root here.
Soon after the outbreak of the First World War, Monash was appointed commander of the 4th Infantry Brigade of the Australian Imperial Force. He commanded his brigade throughout the Gallipoli campaign.
Later, Monash was given command of the 3rd Australian Division and promoted to major-general. In France, the Division's first major battle was at Messines in June 1917. Other battles included those at Broodseinde, Passchendaele and the defence of Amiens.
In early 1918, Monash was made a Knight Commander of the Bath, was appointed commander of the Australian Corps and promoted to lieutenant-general. His military reputation reached new heights with the outstanding success of the Battle of Hamel in July which involved the collaboration of infantry, artillery, tanks and aircraft. From 8 August onwards there was a succession of victories, culminating in the breaking of the Hindenburg Line. Monash was admired for his intellect, meticulous planning, articulate communication of what was expected, and his ability to extract the best from his staff.
In his final years the cause closest to his heart was the building of the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne.
Sir John Monash died on 8 October 1931 and was given a State funeral. An estimated 250 000 mourners, the nation's largest funeral crowd to that time, came to pay their respects.
This man was the son of immigrants. This fact and the fact he was Jewish never prevented Australians admiring him. Aussies are like that: we believe in a fair go for everyone who puts in to our country. We don't like bludgers, whingers and those who come here to harm our beautiful land.
We are an egalitarian society; that's why Islam will never take root here.
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April 27, 2008
Hugo,
I hope you're right that Islam will never take root here. As you say, we believe in a fair go for everyone. Islam doe not share this, as Muslims must be superior. That's why Aussie values and Islamic values contradict each other.
JL,
"I only hope more people, especially in our Universities will speak out and stand up for democracy." I share that hope, but we cannot take it for granted. It will take courage and determination for ordinary people to start speaking out and saying they will not tolerate the racism and intolerance of Islam. In our culture all are equal, and we are proud of that.
Philip,
To be honest, I don't want Muslims to build their own prayer rooms off-campus either, as they could be planning jihad and we would not know about it. I think Mosques and Islamic schools need to be closely monitored. There is ample evidence that jihad is on the mind of many within Islamic institutions.
I hope you're right that Islam will never take root here. As you say, we believe in a fair go for everyone. Islam doe not share this, as Muslims must be superior. That's why Aussie values and Islamic values contradict each other.
JL,
"I only hope more people, especially in our Universities will speak out and stand up for democracy." I share that hope, but we cannot take it for granted. It will take courage and determination for ordinary people to start speaking out and saying they will not tolerate the racism and intolerance of Islam. In our culture all are equal, and we are proud of that.
Philip,
To be honest, I don't want Muslims to build their own prayer rooms off-campus either, as they could be planning jihad and we would not know about it. I think Mosques and Islamic schools need to be closely monitored. There is ample evidence that jihad is on the mind of many within Islamic institutions.
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April 27, 2008
I, too, wish to thank Dr. Pipes, Ali Sina and many other fine people who informed me of the evils of Islam. I know these intelligent men are correct in their assessments because having a little intelligence of my own, and having studied Islam, on and off, since 9/11 I can see for myself that Islam truly is evil. I hope that more and more people become serious and study Islam because Islam is an insidious enemy that will devour us unless we destroy it first.
Cassandra, you have a point there. Although many Muslims are good, many are not good. In fact, many are downright evil because they take their ideology seriously. As a result, only catastrophe follows -- hatred, pain, cruelty, death, and destruction. Islam is truly the most evil religion that I have seen and also the most devious. Islam is the total opposite of what the evil Muslims teach. They begin: "Islam Is The Religion of Peace." Well, you know the rest of the story. I used to believe that, but when I hear it now, I can almost puke. Islam is like vomit in one's mouth.
Wendy Larkson, thank you for your little story. I believe you are correct when you say that it was "probably more the romance." I don't think it was Allah that led this fellow astray, unless Allah did it indirectly. You see, I think Allah is another name for Satan. Allah certainly has the same traits as Satan beginning with intense hatred.
Wendy, when we are devoid of Divine Love, only selfishness or carnal love remains. When this happens, I'm sure you are aware, many evils follow.
My true God is the God of Love. My God teaches, "Love one another." "Pray for your enemies." "If you love me, obey my commandments." My God forgives. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery. I never
heard my God call anyone pigs and apes. I never heard my God say, "Slay the infidels." My God never said that one class of people was better than another. I hope Muslims become very humble and realize especially that women have the same rights as men. Some have already come to that realization. I just hope there will be more.
On the other hand, Allah, well you know the rest of the story. I can almost puke here, too, when I hear "Allah." Allah, too, is like vomit in my mouth. I kid you not. I could kick myself for, once upon a time, believing that Allah is the God of Love.
Cassandra, you have a point there. Although many Muslims are good, many are not good. In fact, many are downright evil because they take their ideology seriously. As a result, only catastrophe follows -- hatred, pain, cruelty, death, and destruction. Islam is truly the most evil religion that I have seen and also the most devious. Islam is the total opposite of what the evil Muslims teach. They begin: "Islam Is The Religion of Peace." Well, you know the rest of the story. I used to believe that, but when I hear it now, I can almost puke. Islam is like vomit in one's mouth.
Wendy Larkson, thank you for your little story. I believe you are correct when you say that it was "probably more the romance." I don't think it was Allah that led this fellow astray, unless Allah did it indirectly. You see, I think Allah is another name for Satan. Allah certainly has the same traits as Satan beginning with intense hatred.
Wendy, when we are devoid of Divine Love, only selfishness or carnal love remains. When this happens, I'm sure you are aware, many evils follow.
My true God is the God of Love. My God teaches, "Love one another." "Pray for your enemies." "If you love me, obey my commandments." My God forgives. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery. I never
heard my God call anyone pigs and apes. I never heard my God say, "Slay the infidels." My God never said that one class of people was better than another. I hope Muslims become very humble and realize especially that women have the same rights as men. Some have already come to that realization. I just hope there will be more.
On the other hand, Allah, well you know the rest of the story. I can almost puke here, too, when I hear "Allah." Allah, too, is like vomit in my mouth. I kid you not. I could kick myself for, once upon a time, believing that Allah is the God of Love.
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April 27, 2008
'Aussies are like that: we believe in a fair go for everyone who puts in to our country. We don't like bludgers, whingers and those who come here to harm our beautiful land. '
Cassandra - thank you for that biography of Monash - you know, I am shamed to say, I did not know much about him - but now I do. We need his courage and his determination in our age to face the scourge of Islam with hs fighting spirit.
Cassandra - thank you for that biography of Monash - you know, I am shamed to say, I did not know much about him - but now I do. We need his courage and his determination in our age to face the scourge of Islam with hs fighting spirit.
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April 28, 2008
Wendy,
I'm afraid I can't take credit for the biography of Monash - it was Hugo. I've never really been interested in military history (maybe it's a man's thing!), but I found the biography fascinating. Here was a man who wasn't part of the establishment and didn't have the usual advantages, yet through his own ability and hard work, became one of our foremost Aussies.
The fact people admired him so much gives the lie to the belief that Aussies cut down tall poppies; they just don't like those who, having done well, are arrogant and boastful about it.
Wendy, yes, we need a leader like him with courage and fighting spirit, someone who will and galvanise the population and encourage them to reassert the superiority of our values over the unequal and discriminatory values of Islam.
I'm afraid I can't take credit for the biography of Monash - it was Hugo. I've never really been interested in military history (maybe it's a man's thing!), but I found the biography fascinating. Here was a man who wasn't part of the establishment and didn't have the usual advantages, yet through his own ability and hard work, became one of our foremost Aussies.
The fact people admired him so much gives the lie to the belief that Aussies cut down tall poppies; they just don't like those who, having done well, are arrogant and boastful about it.
Wendy, yes, we need a leader like him with courage and fighting spirit, someone who will and galvanise the population and encourage them to reassert the superiority of our values over the unequal and discriminatory values of Islam.
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April 28, 2008
Cassandra, another strong article!
I am amused that the poor muslims feel hard done by losing their priviledged position of having their own prayer rooms! Says alot about how they see us Dhimmis!
I hope all universities follow suit.
The agenda is obvious though that education is a key tool in the warfare against the west.
My sister tells me that recently the Holocaust has been removed from the school curriculum in the UK. And the latest by Melanie Phillips suggests universities are seeking an academic boycott of Israel. Article: "Grave of Academe".
Hugo:
Thanks for the background on Monash. Where the British generals used troops as cannon fodder, Monash protected them by artillery, tanks and planes first to save lives! I believe the British copied his tactic later.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/
I am amused that the poor muslims feel hard done by losing their priviledged position of having their own prayer rooms! Says alot about how they see us Dhimmis!
I hope all universities follow suit.
The agenda is obvious though that education is a key tool in the warfare against the west.
My sister tells me that recently the Holocaust has been removed from the school curriculum in the UK. And the latest by Melanie Phillips suggests universities are seeking an academic boycott of Israel. Article: "Grave of Academe".
Hugo:
Thanks for the background on Monash. Where the British generals used troops as cannon fodder, Monash protected them by artillery, tanks and planes first to save lives! I believe the British copied his tactic later.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/
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April 28, 2008
Dear JL, we have written an article re Melbourne University's removal of special privileges for Muslims ---click on circe on the left column of the site ---the article is "Melbourne University Rejects Islamic Supremacy' 14/2/08.
Sadly Melbourne Uni is still under the grip of Islam in mamny ways!!
Daniel Pipes in the Syney Mormning Herald 14/4/08
stated -'To render Islam consistent with democratic ways will require profound changes in its interpretation. For example, the anti-democratic law of Islam, the sharia, lies at the core of the problem. Developed over a millennium ago, when ideas of democracy hardly existed, it presumes autocratic rulers and submissive subjects, emphasises God's will over popular sovereignty, and encourages violent jihad to expand Islam's borders. Further, it anti-democratically privileges Muslims over non-Muslims, males over females, and free people over slaves. For Muslims to build fully functioning democracies, they basically must reject the sharia's public aspects in their entirety and eliminate the Koran as an obstacle to democracy.'
Islam without sharia and those nasty koranic text's---I'd like to see that but it wouldn't be Islam!! Far easier to throw the lot out!!
Islam's peace isn't our peace and Islam's democracy certainly won't be like ours---Democracy is far more than a vote for fanatical Muslim A or fanatical Muslim B (and persecution of women and others either way)!!!
Sadly Melbourne Uni is still under the grip of Islam in mamny ways!!
Daniel Pipes in the Syney Mormning Herald 14/4/08
stated -'To render Islam consistent with democratic ways will require profound changes in its interpretation. For example, the anti-democratic law of Islam, the sharia, lies at the core of the problem. Developed over a millennium ago, when ideas of democracy hardly existed, it presumes autocratic rulers and submissive subjects, emphasises God's will over popular sovereignty, and encourages violent jihad to expand Islam's borders. Further, it anti-democratically privileges Muslims over non-Muslims, males over females, and free people over slaves. For Muslims to build fully functioning democracies, they basically must reject the sharia's public aspects in their entirety and eliminate the Koran as an obstacle to democracy.'
Islam without sharia and those nasty koranic text's---I'd like to see that but it wouldn't be Islam!! Far easier to throw the lot out!!
Islam's peace isn't our peace and Islam's democracy certainly won't be like ours---Democracy is far more than a vote for fanatical Muslim A or fanatical Muslim B (and persecution of women and others either way)!!!
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April 28, 2008
Muslims, when was it the last time you prayed for Jews? Muslims, when was it the last time you prayed for Christians? Muslims, if you are a true Muslim, you have never prayed for Jews and Christians. Do you know why you have never prayed for Jews and Christians? I do. It is because you hate. Muslims, you have been taught well by Satan who hates. In other words, you hate because Allah hates. You have been taught hatred by Satan Allah. That's why you hate Jews and Christians.
That's why you Muslim men also hate women. You have been taught by Satan to act superior. You have been taught by Satan, in other words, by Allah that women are inferior, even your own beautiful mothers and beautiful sisters. Yes, you are "superior" because Satan, i.e., Allah has taught you well.
Allah (Satan) is the god of hatred, the god of pain, the god of superiority, the god of cruelty, the god of war, the god of death and destruction. No love in Satan Allah. No love in a true Muslim.
True Muslims are exactly like Satan Allah.
That's why you Muslim men also hate women. You have been taught by Satan to act superior. You have been taught by Satan, in other words, by Allah that women are inferior, even your own beautiful mothers and beautiful sisters. Yes, you are "superior" because Satan, i.e., Allah has taught you well.
Allah (Satan) is the god of hatred, the god of pain, the god of superiority, the god of cruelty, the god of war, the god of death and destruction. No love in Satan Allah. No love in a true Muslim.
True Muslims are exactly like Satan Allah.
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April 28, 2008
Sorry Hugo - I meant to thank you for the informative piece on Monash. And thank you Cassandra for bringing the point to my attention. And the fact remains that we need more people like Monash around to give courage to the rest of Australia.
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April 29, 2008
Over the years I came to conclusion that there is no "radical Islam". There is only one Islam and its followers make of it what they believe is the right version of it.
The most vile interpretation will always win the struggle against others because people who drive it are the most dangerous, treacherous fanatical, with no scruples and ethics.
The same thing applies to all ideologies where the potential horrors are hidden under the guise of creating paradise on earth.
Stalins and Hitlers will always be the leaders and so waiting for the "moderate" fractions of Islamist to start controlling Islam is to repeat the mistake of 1979 in Iran all over again.
It simply won't happen.
The most vile interpretation will always win the struggle against others because people who drive it are the most dangerous, treacherous fanatical, with no scruples and ethics.
The same thing applies to all ideologies where the potential horrors are hidden under the guise of creating paradise on earth.
Stalins and Hitlers will always be the leaders and so waiting for the "moderate" fractions of Islamist to start controlling Islam is to repeat the mistake of 1979 in Iran all over again.
It simply won't happen.
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April 30, 2008
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