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Two LiarsIrfan Yusuf in his blog (Supplication without hijab. Jan.) claimed clitoridectomy is a pre-Islamic Indonesian custom:
“Perhaps our imams can remind Indonesian imams that not all vestiges of Indonesia's indigenous pre-Islamic customs are worth holding onto.”
..and Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens (Feb) claimed Islam doesn’t ban playing musical instruments and was peaceful—HA,HA.  Both are lying!   Is the problem their name or their religion?   Surely Islam doesn’t support lying to promote Islam...well, YES IT DOES!     No doubt both earned ‘allah’ points, another virgin perhaps???
Irfan Yusuf  (Muslim commentator, writer eg al-Age):  Irfan’s attempt to blame ancient Indonesian culture for clitoridectomy is grossly offensive to the initial Buddhists, Hindus and others and shows his great ignorance of Islam!
 
Sherene Hassan (Heraldsun 20/6/07),  Hanifa Deen (Age 30/5/07  p3 and Age, p 15 1/6/07) etc have already pushed the ‘clitoridectomy’ is an African problem, nothing to do with Islam lie!   In Islam, clitoridectomy is supported by Mohammad in ahadith and Islamic laws (religious basis) and spreads worldwide with Islam--will we blame the natives of every country?  Although not part of Christian teaching , a lower % of Christians (many Muslim converts) and some Animists in areas of Africa under Islamic control for 1300-1400 years with Islamic culture forced onto them also practice it (cultural basis).     Our ‘western’ Muslims (and the PC people) are happy to slander others but lack the moral courage to face Islamic text, laws and practices!!!!
 


Is Irfan Yusuf aware that-
1) Islam’s text and laws support clitoridectomy: In Reliance of the Traveller, a classical manual of Islamic sacred law re 'circumcision' we find the Arabic actually says -

"Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male,  but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called HufaaD). "  (p59)(Shafi'i Law)
 
(Note the English version is falsely translated as 'prepuce ' of the clitoris!!  Often used by Muslims to trick us!!)
Clitoridectomy is obligatory under Shafi Law (eg Egypt), sunna for Hanbalis and worthy of merit or a courtesy to the husband in other schools of law!"

Clitoridectomy is supported by several ahadith.
a) Abu-Dawud   Book 41, No.  5251:   Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:    A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina.  The prophet (peace be upon him) said to her:  Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
(Note::  The powerful Mohammad did NOT stop the procedure/clitoridectomy yet he stopped adoption when he wished to marry his adopted son's wife Zainab, regarded as incest by the Arabs because adopted sons were held as sons!)
 
FGM in Iraq

b)  Many ahadith across several sets cite Aisha re the need for ghusl when the 'two circumcised organs’ come in contact.  Why would Aisha, Mohammad’s child bride talk of ‘the 2 circumcised organs’ contacting if she wasn’t ‘circumcised’!  And Mohammad’s other wives-clitoridectomy was common?  
Eg Muslim  book 3 No. 684:     Maliks Muwatta Book 2, Number 2.19.73 also  74,  75,   77 :  And Maliks Muwatta Book 20   No.  20.46.161 ---very long, penalties for contact between a male and female during hajj including those circumcised parts!

c) some hadiths note  "Cicumcision is a sunnah for Men, MAKRUMAH (noble deed, honourable) for women"

d)  another hadith recounts an address to al-Ansar  (Medina converts) women, endorsing female circumcision

Islamic laws and practices are based on the hadith and Koran.  Despite a 19th century hadith revision, the clitoridectomy text remains!Pakistani Girlis
Like the hajj ceremonies, clitoridectomy  may have existed pre-Islam but was fully taken up by Mohammad and Islam-though thanks to other cultures, not always practised.   Clitoridectomy will continue while Islam’s text/laws endorsing it remain unchallenged!  

2) Prominent Muslims support it eg On 12/2/2007 Al-Arabiya TV aired  'Al-Azhar University Scholars Argue over the Legitimacy of Female Circumcision Practiced in Egypt.'  Muhammad Al-Mussayar: notes "All the jurisprudents, since the advent of Islam and for 14 centuries or more, are in consensus that female circumcision is permitted by Islam. But they were divided with regard to its status in shari'a. Some said that female circumcision is required by shari'a, just like male circumcision. Some said this is the mainstream practice, while others said it is a noble act. But throughout the history of Islam, nobody has ever said that performing female circumcision is a crime. There has been a religious ruling on this for 14 centuries." ...  "First of all, there are reliable hadiths in Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim which support female circumcision....."Female circumcision is no less valid just because it was practiced in Pharaonic times and in the Jahiliya.  Islam accepted some customs, which were harmonious with human nature, and rejected others, which contradicted human nature." (reported by http://MEMRI.org  27/2/2007 and FGM Network)

3)  Australia’s mufti Sheik Fehmi al-Imam supports clitoridectomy:   Re clitoridectomy :  Sheik Fehmi al-Imam of the Preston Mosque replied to Pamela Bone "You probably don't need it but women in hot countries do"!!! (Melbourne   Age 21/7/01 p7  Pamela Bone–also unaware clitoridectomy was endorsed in Islamic law)  
Abc.net.au (11/5/06) and News.com.au note that over 50 females have been treated/year in Sydney hospitals following FGM.  Some girls are sent overseas for the procedure but others are mutilated here.  

4) Indonesian Muslims mutilate Christians: Christians of the Maluku islands Indonesia etc were not only attacked and killed by Muslims but those ‘converted’ to Islam on pain of death were subjected to clitoridectomy using their own kitchen knives! (Christina's Story;  Sydney Morning Herald 27/1/2001;  Conversion crusade rends the Spice Islands  The Age 27/1/2001).  

5) Indonesian Muslim groups support clitoridectomy: Assalaam Foundation treasurer Syarief Hamid, claims religion and the prevention of cervical cancer (Muslim abhorrence for any knowledge of female anatomy!!) are reasons to practise clitoridectomy! He says. "The religious view is, if you are not circumcised you won't have clean genitals after you urinate. If then you pray, your prayer won't be legal." The practitioners who came from the local hospital always cut a piece off the clitoris, he says.  Masitoh Chusnan, from the women's wing of Muhammadiyah, one of Indonesia's two biggest Muslim organisations, says the circumcision of girls is regarded in Islam as an honourable practice. "The Hadith did not say it's obligatory, but it is recommended to have it done," she says. "There is the Prophet's words saying girls must be circumcised but you should not cut too much." !!  (www.smh.co 13/1/04)  

6) Muslims across a wide variety of ‘cultures, ’ ethnic groups, countries, continents continue to practice clitoridectomy after 1400 years—what they have in common is Islam!  Many millions of females are mutilated and denied the right to full sexual pleasure!   
 
As for those Muslims who endorse the ‘reduce but do not destroy’ view, the clitoris has more nerves than the head of the penis and also has a ‘shaft’ so would Muslim men like a chunk cut from the head of the penis or the whole penis trimmed!!!  How about a ‘real trim’ Irfan, not just a little nip of some floppy skin....

I keep writing this because Muslims and involved others, too afraid to ‘upset’ Muslims, just don’t tell the truth

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Yusuf IslamAnd for the warbling Yusuf Islam recently portrayed on yet another Islam propaganda show on their ABC,  Islam does forbid playing musical instruments...
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v: Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:  that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. ……Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." 

*Laws:  Reliance of the Traveller: r 40.0 Music, song, ..(Mohammad speaking) r40.40.1 p774, 775
(1) "allah mighty and majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, …."
(2) "on the day of resurrection, allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress."
(3) "song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart…"
(4) " This community will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones."  Someone asked "When will this be, o messenger of allah?" and he said "When songstresses and musical instruments appear and wine is held to be lawful."….
(“all of this is explicit and compelling textual evidence that musical instruments  of all types are unlawful,” p775) Ridley
r40.2  p775 bans playing or listening to musical instruments but allows the tambourine at weddings…
r40.3 p775 bans singing or listening to singing even without musical instruments.  Singing at weddings is considered sunna by some or if it urges followers to obey the sunna etc!

k2.3 p 382  It is invalid to transact something which is not useful…..such as vermin, a single grain of wheat or unlawful musical instruments.  (can't sell/buy musical instruments..)

W52.1 (426-431) p989 playing stringed instruments; listening to them; playing reed instruments; listening to them; beating a long drum (kuba); or listening to it..(enormities! -seriously bad acts).

How much was he paid for this propaganda?  No doubt he lives in luxury in Dubai, ignoring the slavery and millions living in massive slums!   Keep smoking Yusuf but watch where you pluck!   As for peace---unbelievable, what can you say!!!


References:

For text detail on FGM see any of the 3 articles on female genital mutilation on this site; refer to Answering-Islam or find some text HERE  (sometimes modified or ‘explained’ in brackets to suit westerners!!)
Reliance of the Traveller, a classical manual of Islamic sacred law in Arabic with facing English text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller (1994)
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Hugo White: ...
Circe,
It seems from your article that there's overwhelming evidence that fgm is Islamic. All the more reason therefore to deny it has anything to do with Islam.

The Home Secretary, UK, set a great example when she said that terrorism must be called anti-Islamic activities. Following this, fgm must be called anti-Islamic and the prohibition of musical instruments (for which you have provided compelling evidence) must also be called anti-Islamic.

Of course, we mustn't forget that beheading is anti-Islamic and all the other myriad atrocities carried out by the R of P!

Repeat after me: Islam is the Religion of Peace.
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March 20, 2008
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Circe,

I was puzzled why Cat Stephens gave up playing music because it was un-Islamic, then resumed years later because it was OK.

Did he change his adviser, or did the Islamic powers decide he would be a good propaganda tool if he continued playing, and as we know, you can change any rule if it benefits Islam?

By the way, the picture of Yvonne Ridley shows her figure, which is surely haram. Why isn't she wearing a tent? And please cover her face (I'm beginning to understand the advantages of the niqab)
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March 20, 2008
Wendy Larkson
Wendy Larkson: ...
Yes, Circe, - there is clear hypocrisy and disinformation in attempts to disassociate FGM from Islam when there is ample evidence it has been part and parcel of Islam for a long time.

What gets me is everyone speaks in the name of 'real Islam' . But who knows what the REAL ISLAM IS? Music or no music.? FGM or no FGM? HIjab or niqab? Interest or no interest on a loan? Suicide bombing or no suicide bombing? Who is the judge of these things?

Yvonne of Arabia would look great on a camel- or maybe the camel would look great with her. And I like the pinocchio effect on Yusuf Islam, in the picture above, though some cat whiskers would add another bit of 'je ne sais quoi'.

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March 20, 2008
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Cassanda: ...
Wendy,

When it comes down to it, the real Islam must be the "morality" found in the Qur'an and hadiths.

Hence it's violent manifestation worldwide.
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March 20, 2008
Rosie
Rosie: ...
Definitely Irf Yusuf is wrong about FGM and Yusuf Islam about music.
Of course all these should be forgiven for they only lie to fulfil their duties in expanding the world of Allah and in expanding the Ummah.
I am not so sure about Ivonne. She is right about the music of course but to contradict men??!!!
And what is even worse by contradicting Yusuf Islam she exposes him to the Infidel in what he’s doing.
I’d say there is no punishment harsh enough to match her crimes.
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March 20, 2008
Circe
Circe: ...
I'm sorry to keep writing this information about FGM/Music etc but everytime I hear another muslim tell bare faced lies about these things it makes me post their own text and laws to show what liars they are!! Sadly many join the lie and hide the truth about islam, a truth I discovered through a concern with women's rights! There are a few muslims who tell the truth but many, particularly those addressing the west, do as islam also instructs and lie to promote islam and of course they cannot say anything negative about islam so there's a lot of lying to do!

It is also imortant that our many new readers each month see the truth in regard to Islam's vile practises and senseless bans. Of course they have far more money and exposure eg al-age to promote their lies so telling the truth about islam to mainstream Australia is difficult but we are a literate and connected society so please pass information on. I'm a great believer in truth and reason!

It's a laugh to see those muslim converts who have actually read the text and laws be shocked at the haram behaviour of many western muslims---boy will those western hypocrits get it if this evil does gain control!!
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March 20, 2008
Dude
Dude: ...
Circe,
Never enough on this subjects.
Keep on firing!
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March 20, 2008
Blue Heeler
Blue Heeler: ...
Circe, you keep posting these truths, please. Islam feeds on lies and misinformation. Your expose of the truths of Islamic "culture" are eye-opening.....and vital.
20 years ago I was prepared to accept Islam on it's own terms and by its own self-defining statements. It was only because other people showed me the bitter truth of Mohameds evil that I was able to see.
You are helping many in the same way.
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March 21, 2008
Blue Heeler
Blue Heeler: ...
Rose, good point about Yvonne's shaky position! Fancy correcting a male! In public, too!
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March 21, 2008
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Mark Twain observed "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

It's certainly true that Islamic lies have travelled widely, largely because they are unopposed. In fact, there are many useful idiots who are prepared to help the lies on their travels.

However, by the same token, if we all get off our backsides and propogate the TRUTH, there's no reason why this shouldn't travel with equal speed.

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March 21, 2008
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God hates Islam: ...
Cassandra... Islam can change their law for convenience. I'm from Indonesia. Years ago, all the Islamic imams in Indonesia said a woman could not become president. But when Megawati, the daughter of the founding father of the nation, gained huge popularity to be the next president, these imams readily changed their tune: It's ok for a woman to be president, Islam says!!!
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March 21, 2008
Circe
Circe: ...
According to my medical friends, clitoridectomy is practised in Australia but Irf will probably claim it's an old aboriginal practise! Didn't Hilali try to claim aboriginals were Muslim because after Islam violently took over Indonesia in the 16th century some Muslims landed on our shores (plenty of others before and since would also have landed here!) so this may explain the rape of children and beating women suffered in some communities as both are allowed under Islam! None of the aboriginals I know are Muslim and they don’t have sex with children, beat women or practise clitoridectomy!

Maybe Irf will blame those early poms, criminals, military or settlers. The way Britain's going this and many other sick acts will become 'English' practices! It's amazing how Muslims refuse to honestly look at their own text.

Recently Irf showed again that he can't face the truth. Daniel Pipes wrote an article on Sharia and taxi drivers taking blind people with guide dogs. (Resisting Islamic Law: by Daniel Pipes Jerusalem Post February 21, 2008) Pipes had a picture of 'Australian Human Rights Commissioner Graeme Innes and his guide dog. Innes is often denied service by taxi drivers.' Irf mounted a nasty attack, claiming lies but Pipes has replied with supporting evidence that Innes has been refused service and that religious reasons are sometimes given! Pipes concludes -

'My innocuous caption is factually correct. Yusuf's insulting blog is factually incorrect. I bother to point this out because Yusuf's screed is so typical. And to point out how sensible debate cannot proceed when the other side is hysterical and inaccurate.'

Here' Here! You also can't have sensible debate when the other side can't face or tell the truth and when truth can't be aired in public! Doesn't Irf often write in the Age? Isn't he a lawyer?
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March 22, 2008
Dude
Dude: ...
And to point out how sensible debate cannot proceed when the other side is hysterical and inaccurate.'

Be careful Circe!
Calling Irf a liar may bring a nice fat fatwa upon your head.

Better still,..... he may accuse you of being racist!!
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March 26, 2008

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