Newly released correspondence published in several mainstream papers, reveal a fuller picture of David Hick’s
terrorist military training and his reliance on the Koran as its justification. Jeremy Roberts in The Australian writes.
terrorist military training and his reliance on the Koran as its justification. Jeremy Roberts in The Australian writes.The documents reveal Hicks as a zealous Muslim - studying the Koran for up to nine hours a day - who acquired nine months of expert military and terrorist training in 2000 and 2001. In a letter to his family in February 2000, Hicks admits: "I am now officially a Taliban member."
…"I'm going back (to Afghanistan) but this time with the Arabs and to bin Laden's camps," he says in a letter to Ms King, received in January 2001. Between then and his capture in December 2001, Hicks visited bin Laden about 20 times, and undertook 25 weeks of training with al-Qa'ida. (source)For those who wish to dismiss Hick’s training as ‘youthful folly’ it must be remembered that Hicks turned against the West. He joined a group which wished to destroy the civilisation and society into which he was born. Hicks has not yet come forward with a statement of credible regret for his actions and mericless beliefs. As it turns out, Hicks’s lawyer says that David is no longer a practising Muslim. Like those who have left other cults, he is supposedly 'out of it’ now but a strong personal statement about his prior involvement and a strong public condemnation of Hick’s disloyalty to Australia by Muslims is surely is in order.
After all, several members of the Muslim community have said (though rather limply) that they did not see the Taliban as ‘the true Islam’. Well, what is ‘true Islam’? Can we hear a more public statement on this topic from someone who is ‘a leader’ in the community? Not evasive comments – but straightforward one’s clearly delineating what Hicks did as disloyal and a moral evil – in the way Muslims delineate other matters as moral evils, in no uncertain terms. One such avenue could be the Muslim online paper the Queenlsand Muslim Times which prior to these latest revelations has portrayed Hicks, on his release, as a poor victim and focussed on the small gaggle of misguided his supporters.
Some of these misguided supporters during 2007 Sydney Mardi Gras parade
Australians gathered outside the prison as Hicks left, many holding banners reading "This could have been your son" and "David Hicks is no threat." (source )T
hese supporters who do better supporting worthier causes (there are plenty of sick, disabled and lonely people who could use it), rather than support a movement which would revel in the destruction of their own country. The political myopia displayed by those who cheer on the supporters of violence, is typical of those who throughout history have supported the perpetrators of violence and not the victims. The Queensland Muslim Times article quoted above described Hicks as a “Taliban”, in inverted commas, to underline the ridiculousness of such an accusation. Ridiculous? Now they can read Hick’s own correspondence, part of the Federal Magistrates Court evidence gathered by the Australian Federal Police against the confessed terrorism supporter. The evidence is clear – he WAS a member of the Taliban. Those who describe themselves as moderate Muslims have a duty to the Australian public to condemn such evil and folly as the Taliban engages in and which Hicks fully engaged in. If, as has often been said, evil triumphs because good men do nothing about it, here is a golden opportunity for Australian Muslims to clearly dissociate themselves from what Hicks did, and assert some common bond with their new country.
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We don't know if Hicks has reformed or not. That's beside the point. He should, nevertheless, pay for his past crimes. We must always make restitution for our crimes even if we have become saints. Make him pay.
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February 22, 2008
I understand why our usual, professional enemies wanted Hicks back but the support given to him by people elected to the parliament is beyond all belief.
Natasha Spot-Despota gives all blondes a bad name.
Natasha Spot-Despota gives all blondes a bad name.
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February 23, 2008
Apart from being anti-Western our Tali-Boy Davo raved about being able to shoot at the Hindu from Pakistan.
I suppose all od the above clearly testifies that he was just high-spirited, lively Aussie youth.
Hmm... Just look into his eyes. If only looks could kill.
Additionally some of Hicks' defenders claim that his IQ was not exactly on the same level as all the Nobel prize winners.
Perhaps it's true but then again Martin Brayant IQ was not exactly on all that high either.
I suppose all od the above clearly testifies that he was just high-spirited, lively Aussie youth.
Hmm... Just look into his eyes. If only looks could kill.
Additionally some of Hicks' defenders claim that his IQ was not exactly on the same level as all the Nobel prize winners.
Perhaps it's true but then again Martin Brayant IQ was not exactly on all that high either.
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February 23, 2008
Philip Saenz -'We must always make restitution for our crimes even if we have become saints' - not if you're a leftie, greenie, soft-on-Islam kinda guy. I'm surprised he even has to reprot 3 times a week and has a curfew.
dude - Natasha has a problem identifying victims. A problem arising from being narive and pretty. She mistook people looking at her as genuine interest in her opinions and hence thought they were important.
Dan - a bit like Ned Kelly, Ben Hall or Captain Starlight. At least bushrangers were out to steal to help their own. Hicks supporters have not worked out that their hero wanted to destroy them too.
dude - Natasha has a problem identifying victims. A problem arising from being narive and pretty. She mistook people looking at her as genuine interest in her opinions and hence thought they were important.
Dan - a bit like Ned Kelly, Ben Hall or Captain Starlight. At least bushrangers were out to steal to help their own. Hicks supporters have not worked out that their hero wanted to destroy them too.
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February 23, 2008
Well, what is ‘true Islam’? Can we hear a more public statement on this topic from someone who is ‘a leader’ in the community? Not evasive comments – but straightforward one’s clearly delineating what Hicks did as disloyal and a moral evil – in the way Muslims delineate other matters as moral evils, in no uncertain terms.
I'd like to point out, for the benefit of our many, many new readers and members, that Wendy has just described the constant problem of discussions with Islam and Islamists..... there is never an end to those things that need clarifying, because Islam is never in any hurry to clear up the confusion that constantly surrounds it!
)Simplistically, given the scrutiny that Islam has been under - for so long - wouldn’t you think that there would be less confusion surrounding it, not more? It strikes me as a reasonable thought, anyway.)
In fact, Islam fosters confusion. Confusion is a desired end of Islam, when dealing with infidels.
Confusion was an approved tactic of Mohamed and a way of dealing with non-believers that became so popular that it is at the heart of the division of Islam into Sunni and Shia.
It is the little known but immensely dangerous concept of taqiya
Interestingly, today, virtually all that can be known of taqiya comes from Western, kufar sources, as Muslims do not like to acknowledge or discuss this odious practice in the presence of infidels.
In a nutshell, it is the Allah-approved ability to lie whenever and wherever it might further the aims of Islam or protect and preserve any Muslim.
I wish I could SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS and ensure, somehow, that every Australian learns this one word - TAQIYA. Who knows, it just might save your life.
It is an astonishingly unbelievable, yet none-the-less true statement that, by Islam's own definitions of itself, no non-muslim can trust a muslim!
I don't know of a more damaging indictment of Islam than this - you cannot trust them and…… you cannot trust them because they say so!
I wish people would get that! It’s NOT US! – It’s not some infidel paranoia, it’s not a non-believer’s prejudice, it’s not a hate-filled bit of propaganda – it’s from the very heart of the Koran and the lying, deceitful tongue of Mohamed….. you cannot trust a Muslim.
Consider this.
If you were in business, would you enter into a partnership arrangement with someone who told you that, in every situation imaginable, he would act deceptively, illegally and immorally WITH YOUR FINACES AND THE REPUTATION OF YOUR COMPANY?
Didn't think so.
Yet, on the national level, not only are we expected to tolerate Islam, we are forced into a situation where we cannot discuss or criticize it. In fact, despite the fact that Muslims make up less than 2% of the populace, they have been elevated to a position in our society of a majority, attracting special attention and special laws.
How they laugh…… down the mosque.
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February 23, 2008
Blue Heeler,
And suddenly, out of nowhere, we are facing now lots of Islamic scholars of Western but not scholarly background, who decided to explain Islam for us mortals, since most of the true Muslims seem to permanently disagree on what the true Islam is.
And so our own Tim Blairs, George Dubya Bushes, Tim Fischers, Gerge Neguses etc. tell us daily that Islam is simply "a religion of peace".
What else can we do but to proceed with dignity to the chopping block?
..there is never an end to those things that need clarifying, because Islam is never in any hurry to clear up the confusion that constantly surrounds it
And suddenly, out of nowhere, we are facing now lots of Islamic scholars of Western but not scholarly background, who decided to explain Islam for us mortals, since most of the true Muslims seem to permanently disagree on what the true Islam is.
And so our own Tim Blairs, George Dubya Bushes, Tim Fischers, Gerge Neguses etc. tell us daily that Islam is simply "a religion of peace".
What else can we do but to proceed with dignity to the chopping block?
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February 23, 2008
Rosie I think you mean Tony Blair (I agree with
you there, as Tony Blair has betrayed the West. In the UK, the HOme Secretary has announced that terrorist acts must henceforth be described as anti-Islamic activities. Talk about adding to the confusion and taqiya -
you there, as Tony Blair has betrayed the West. In the UK, the HOme Secretary has announced that terrorist acts must henceforth be described as anti-Islamic activities. Talk about adding to the confusion and taqiya -
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February 24, 2008
Blue Heeler, totally agree with you. rather than stupid Jews and Christians going into schools with Islamofascists telling vulnerable kids that Islam is a religion of peace, teams of educators should be sent into schools to explain the basis of Islam, so as to alert kids as to how our civilisation is being destroyed. I suggest just a few short lessons explaining concepts like taqiya, dhimmiutde, abrogation, jihad etc. Any I've forgotten please add
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February 24, 2008
Whatever happened to the crime of treason? The last I checked, it's still part of Australian law. Hicks and his ilk are guilty of treason and should be quickly despatched to some grimy jail and forgotten about. Why do we make such heroes of those who want to destroy civilisation?
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February 24, 2008
Can you imgagine during war time in Australia if Aussies went over to Japan or germany to train and liase with Japanese imperial army or the Nazis wouldn, that have been treason.
Yet while we are at war with the Islamists aussies can go over to the Middle east Train with the islamists and openly support their anti western views and agenda yet we get high profiles Australians like Robert Richter QC ,Julian Burnside QC ,Dick Smith and a myriad of so called peace groups and human rights groups ,Fairfax,ABC and SBC media supporting him I just don't get it
Yet while we are at war with the Islamists aussies can go over to the Middle east Train with the islamists and openly support their anti western views and agenda yet we get high profiles Australians like Robert Richter QC ,Julian Burnside QC ,Dick Smith and a myriad of so called peace groups and human rights groups ,Fairfax,ABC and SBC media supporting him I just don't get it
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February 24, 2008
There is a resistance to naming 'Islam' as the enemy because people do not WANT it it be an enemy. Enemies are people you have to resist with all your might and after a war weary twentieth century, people think that if you just 'act noice' then you'll have no enemies.
Well there is a rude shock awaiting the avoiders of truth. All get mugged by reality in the end. Hope the liberal left like living under Shariah. Maybe they will look with regret to the democratic western system they despised.
Well there is a rude shock awaiting the avoiders of truth. All get mugged by reality in the end. Hope the liberal left like living under Shariah. Maybe they will look with regret to the democratic western system they despised.
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February 24, 2008
Hicks is a devout muslim who loves osama. He has carved a crescent moon on his arm. He has never apologised and has fought against Hindus as well as the 'west' ie he fights any non-muslims. Given the chance he will blow-up your children for allah! I hope Dick smith and Hicks other supporters aren't standing too close when he does his bit for allah! Hicks is guilty of treason and should be jailed for life!
Unbelieveably I read an article claiming the people of SA loved him and supported him! Is this a result of blind stupidity or blind anti-Americanism ie he was in an American jail so he must be good???
Unbelieveably I read an article claiming the people of SA loved him and supported him! Is this a result of blind stupidity or blind anti-Americanism ie he was in an American jail so he must be good???
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February 24, 2008
2 points
1: I'm afraid that most, if not all of our politicians, don't understand cults, and how they work.
Similarly, most of the media pays no attention to cults, and have no idea how they operate. The only attention comes when something bad happens.
Then society either shakes it's head and wonders how people can be so dumb, or wonder why the authorities didn't stop it from happening.
However, the overriding pricipal in the media is "Why can't they be left to beleive in what they want?". I've been asked this question on several occasions.
My answer is that People can beleive what they want, but society has the right to judge, and call to question anything anyone beleives, when the consequences of that belief are damaging to individuals or society. And we should be able to prevent the promulgation of nonsense.
2: If David, or his lawyer claim that he has left that cult (and it IS a cult), then after some time, he will speak out against it. He should be going through a period of "Why was I so dumb" (self blame), a loss of faith in general, a period of self doubt, and then an anger.
I don't know what hois conditions will be now, but if the period since he was in that cult has passed properly, he should be at the anger point already, and should be about ready to speak out about how bad his experience was, and warning people not to get involved. At least to his immediate family and freinds, if not the wider community. And he is unlikely to blame Islam in general, merely the narrow, violent view that the medieval group he was in proposed.
All of this is colopured by his experience in Cuba, of course. However, it's unlikely his lawyers, nor his supporters actually understand the kind of cult-like mentality he developed, nor how to combat it.
Of course, I'm not a psychologist. All of the above is my experience with other cults, and how many people progress once they are out.
There's more to say, but you get my drift.
1: I'm afraid that most, if not all of our politicians, don't understand cults, and how they work.
Similarly, most of the media pays no attention to cults, and have no idea how they operate. The only attention comes when something bad happens.
Then society either shakes it's head and wonders how people can be so dumb, or wonder why the authorities didn't stop it from happening.
However, the overriding pricipal in the media is "Why can't they be left to beleive in what they want?". I've been asked this question on several occasions.
My answer is that People can beleive what they want, but society has the right to judge, and call to question anything anyone beleives, when the consequences of that belief are damaging to individuals or society. And we should be able to prevent the promulgation of nonsense.
2: If David, or his lawyer claim that he has left that cult (and it IS a cult), then after some time, he will speak out against it. He should be going through a period of "Why was I so dumb" (self blame), a loss of faith in general, a period of self doubt, and then an anger.
I don't know what hois conditions will be now, but if the period since he was in that cult has passed properly, he should be at the anger point already, and should be about ready to speak out about how bad his experience was, and warning people not to get involved. At least to his immediate family and freinds, if not the wider community. And he is unlikely to blame Islam in general, merely the narrow, violent view that the medieval group he was in proposed.
All of this is colopured by his experience in Cuba, of course. However, it's unlikely his lawyers, nor his supporters actually understand the kind of cult-like mentality he developed, nor how to combat it.
Of course, I'm not a psychologist. All of the above is my experience with other cults, and how many people progress once they are out.
There's more to say, but you get my drift.
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February 24, 2008
Wanglese -'He should be going through a period of "Why was I so dumb" (self blame), a loss of faith in general, a period of self doubt, and then an anger. '. Yes, it is hard to detect any of these stages in Hicks. One of my reasons for highlighting this latest correspondence detailing Hicks' definite involvement in the Taliban, was to underscore the lack of any appropriate remorse on his part so far regarding his brainwashing. One confounding factor is that while he might have been trying to leave the lunacy, there are useful idiots in the west who are telling him that the lunacy is ok, and that he was just a poor misunderstood fellow. It's like telling a schizophrenic that the voices he hears ARE real and the spaceships are landing out there. It does not help the victim of the
Of course, the other real possiblity is that Hicks is just posing and still believes all the nonsense.
Of course, the other real possiblity is that Hicks is just posing and still believes all the nonsense.
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February 25, 2008
Faygale,
"Can you imgagine during war time in Australia if Aussies went over to Japan or germany to train and liase with Japanese imperial army or the Nazis wouldn't that have been treason."
Yes, it would, and Australians would have roundly condemned it as treason.
"yet we get high profiles Australians like Robert Richter QC ,Julian Burnside QC ,Dick Smith and a myriad of so called peace groups and human rights groups ,Fairfax,ABC and SBC media supporting him "
I don't get it either. These people should be ostracised by decent citizens. Instead, they are getting the highest accolades. To your list, I would add all the leaders of the Jewish and Christian community who are rewarded for cosying up with Muslims, and so assisting in our destruction.
They are being rewarded for being traitors!
Wendy, Circe,
It's hard to understand the Western enablers of Islam, who will also be victims of Islam. Are they acting out of cowardice, stupidity or what?
Wanglese,
Yes, Islam is a death cult, no doubt about it. I think most of the reason it isn't exposed is that endless money is given, both by Islamic and Western countries, to propagandise that Islam is a religion.
Propaganda works. Nazism was successful initially because of it.
Maybe we need to start some counter-propoganda big-time. But who will finance it? Not the government, who are working for the enemy. Not our communal leaders, who are also working for the enemy.
And herein lies the real problem.
"Can you imgagine during war time in Australia if Aussies went over to Japan or germany to train and liase with Japanese imperial army or the Nazis wouldn't that have been treason."
Yes, it would, and Australians would have roundly condemned it as treason.
"yet we get high profiles Australians like Robert Richter QC ,Julian Burnside QC ,Dick Smith and a myriad of so called peace groups and human rights groups ,Fairfax,ABC and SBC media supporting him "
I don't get it either. These people should be ostracised by decent citizens. Instead, they are getting the highest accolades. To your list, I would add all the leaders of the Jewish and Christian community who are rewarded for cosying up with Muslims, and so assisting in our destruction.
They are being rewarded for being traitors!
Wendy, Circe,
It's hard to understand the Western enablers of Islam, who will also be victims of Islam. Are they acting out of cowardice, stupidity or what?
Wanglese,
Yes, Islam is a death cult, no doubt about it. I think most of the reason it isn't exposed is that endless money is given, both by Islamic and Western countries, to propagandise that Islam is a religion.
Propaganda works. Nazism was successful initially because of it.
Maybe we need to start some counter-propoganda big-time. But who will finance it? Not the government, who are working for the enemy. Not our communal leaders, who are also working for the enemy.
And herein lies the real problem.
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February 26, 2008
Is Islam really a religion like Christianity, Budhism, ,Hinduism and Jewish or is it a Political Idealoligy or cult?
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February 26, 2008
Faygale: "Is Islam really a religion like Christianity, Budhism, Hinduism and Jewish or is it a Political Ideology or cult?"
Faygale, it is a despicable, evil cult. End of story.
Faygale, it is a despicable, evil cult. End of story.
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February 26, 2008
That man's eyes give me the creeps. They are devoid of expression. Dead. Please, please write a few more articles so that his photograph moves away from the 'login' area. I am about to log-out, and dread catching sight of his face again. Sends a chill down my spine.
If the creature ever apologises for his actions, I will never believe him. Never.
If the creature ever apologises for his actions, I will never believe him. Never.
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February 26, 2008
Faygale.....Islam is a religious/political/social ideology that due to its nature is not divisable, so therefore cannot be subjected to a reformation like Christianity was. It is therefore in essence a cult.
It has its roots in the eighth and ninth centurys which practised those barbarities that you are now seeing practised in Islamic countries where Shar'ia law is king.
Not all Muslims practise their religion, there are many millions who only give the Koran lip service and are not interested in following the Islamo-fascists. These are the sort of Muslims we should be getting on side with but are not at this time.
Our problem in this country is our Multiculti and P C crowd which have been allowed to lord it over us for the past thirty years. These people are in all our institutions and government depts. as well as in business. These hand wringing, self loathing, bleeding hearts, have been responsible for the muslim enclaves that we are going to have to deal with in the not to distant future.
None of our political leaders has the will to tackle the multiculti P C crowd as yet, but a time is coming. There is a new political party called the Australian Protectionist Party which is dedicated to preserving our way of life. We need new members and if any of you are interested in joining contact me at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it We are prepared to take on the idiots on that have almost ruined a good country. Terry
It has its roots in the eighth and ninth centurys which practised those barbarities that you are now seeing practised in Islamic countries where Shar'ia law is king.
Not all Muslims practise their religion, there are many millions who only give the Koran lip service and are not interested in following the Islamo-fascists. These are the sort of Muslims we should be getting on side with but are not at this time.
Our problem in this country is our Multiculti and P C crowd which have been allowed to lord it over us for the past thirty years. These people are in all our institutions and government depts. as well as in business. These hand wringing, self loathing, bleeding hearts, have been responsible for the muslim enclaves that we are going to have to deal with in the not to distant future.
None of our political leaders has the will to tackle the multiculti P C crowd as yet, but a time is coming. There is a new political party called the Australian Protectionist Party which is dedicated to preserving our way of life. We need new members and if any of you are interested in joining contact me at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it We are prepared to take on the idiots on that have almost ruined a good country. Terry
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February 26, 2008
The halal-burgers in Gitmo must have been really good. They should have kept him there, but the Dick Smithens of this country had to have him back. I would also provide Yusuf Irfan and a few others with a ticket to Gitmo, but it will be a while before sanity returns to these shores...
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February 27, 2008
Now if David Hicks has left the fold then, according to the Sunni persuasion, he must be convinced to return. If he fails to do this then, according to their most sacred hadith (traditions of Muhammad) Hicksy must be put to death because he embraced Islam and then apostasized (under duress no doubt and seeing just how impotent the entire Muslim world community is in the face of the smallest of skirmishes!) Despite his being freed he still is obliged to rejoin his Muslim brethren, as a hero no doubt. David wanted an adventure, and he got his wish.
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March 03, 2008
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