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Just another financial product in the marketplace? 
 Sharia Finance
Before I write this article, I have to be honest with you; I know nothing about finance, and have difficulty distinguishing debits from credits. But what intrigues me is: why Islamic finance? We don’t, as far as I’m aware, have Christian mortgages, Buddhist superannuation or Hindu loans.  Surely religion is concerned with the spiritual, which is as far away from finance as you can get, and finance with the temporal.

But apparently not. Not if you’re Muslim. Remember, Islam doesn’t separate spiritual and temporal, but is a complete system and blueprint for how to live every aspect of your life. Its ambit ranges from politics, finance, military matters, down to how you wipe your bottom. I wonder if they have sharia-compliant toilet paper. But I shall never know - I am not allowed into the Muslim only toilets which have sprung up on campus.
In Melbourne, Islamic finance is provided by MCCA,
“a co-operative owned by our members. Since beginning operations in 1989, MCCA has cemented its position at the forefront of Shari’a compliant finance and investment in Australia. And our profits return to our members via share dividends.
Home ownership is an important part of Australian life and MCCA has assisted thousands of Muslim families to realise their goal without compromising their principles or sacrificing quality of service.

MCCA is a living example of Islamic principles in practice. We provide innovative products for individuals and businesses, enabling them to participate fully in econimic life without compromising the tenets of their faith.
Our products are specially developed to meet the needs of Australian Muslims and to provide an alternative to mainstream financing. Each of our products is approved by our Shari’a Board.” (source )

Sharia CardHow can I quibble with the great Aussie dream of owning your own home? Why shouldn’t Muslims aspire to this as well? And what’s more, unlike most financial products on our market, this co-operative returns profits to its members.

Two of their core values are:-

COMMUNITY
We exist solely to empower the Australian Muslim community who are our owners, the source of our human resourcing our clientele.
FAITH
At all times and in everything we do, we are committed accepted principles of Islam.

I still don’t get it. Other groups, whatever their religion or ethnicity, access mainstream products. So why should Muslims be any different?

There’s no doubt this form of finance is big business – just see the heading below!
SHEIKH Nizam Yaquby is the gatekeeper to the $US1 trillion ($1.2 trillion) market for managing Muslim wealth. (reference)
May 05, 2007

“Yaquby, who lives in Bahrain, says he's on advisory boards of 40 finance companies, and tells Citigroup, American International Group and HSBC Holdings which insurance policies, accounts and bonds they can sell to devout Muslims. ..banks can't find enough scholars steeped in the teachings of Muhammad to accommodate the demand for new bonds that conform to Shariah law.
Without men like Yaquby to bless the borrowings, none of the $US70 billion of Islamic debt outstanding can be traded and companies would have been unable to sell any of the $US17 billion in new offerings last year, according to Standard & Poor's and Bloomberg.
The world's top five banks by assets - Zurich-based UBS, HSBC and Barclays in London, Paris-based BNP Paribas and Citigroup in New York - have Islamic units. CIMB Group in Kuala Lumpur is the biggest underwriter of sukuk this year followed by Standard Chartered in London, Barclays and Citigroup”.
Articles like this help you understand why so many are eager to get on the gravy train – who wouldn’t like a share of that trillion? Sadly though, there’s a price to pay.


A recent article “Islamic Finance or Financing Islamism?   helps to shine a light on this conundrum.
A recent construct from the 1970s, “Sharia finance has skyrocketed and is now the fastestScholarship growing segment of international finance with some 400 banks participating in it and close to a billion dollars under management…. Western financial institutions and even governments have eagerly jumped in the fray and most large Western banks today offer some Islamic financial products.”

So what is Sharia finance? Alexiev says the main details are kept hidden, as “ a deliberate policy” as “ revealing the philosophy and detailed prescriptions of the obscurantist medieval doctrine called Sharia to potential investors.. would almost certainly cause a backlash against the whole concept of Islamic finance and put its very legitimacy in question…. Sharia is reactionary to the core and completely at odds with modern norms of human rights, political freedoms and international relations. It mandates, for instance, the killing of homosexuals, apostates from Islam and those guilty of adultery …. It openly discriminates against women and infidels, considers slavery legitimate, and posits offensive military Jihad against the non-Muslims as a religious obligation….  Sharia tenets permit Muslims to lie to the infidels and to bribe them to convert to Islam. It is because of its extremist nature that Sharia has become the rallying cry and core ideology of radical Islam today…. Islamic finance has very little to do with finance and everything to do with Islam. And not just any kind of Islam, but the most radical, fascist-like interpretation of the Islamic religion that has increasingly become the dominant idiom in the Muslim world. ….it is a hateful, millenarian ideology much like Nazism and communism that ultimately hopes to destroy Western civilization by whatever means necessary.”

Well, that doesn’t sound too promising – maybe I’ll just stick to RAMS!

Apparently Islamic finance was “invented in the middle of the 20th century by the two patron saints of radical political Islam, Abul Ala Mawdudi of Pakistan and Sayyid Qutb of Egypt” and.”was essentially a bogus concept from its inception, since it is virtually impossible to transact financial operations in the absence of interest and at least some speculation and uncertainty.. There is nothing bogus about the objectives of Sharia finance, however. It has steadfastly pursued two main goals: aiding and abetting Islamic extremism and terrorism and legitimizing Sharia as an instrument of promoting radical Islamist ideology. From the first Islamic bank founded in 1975, the Islamic Development Bank (IDB), which transferred hundreds of millions of dollars to HAMAS to support suicide bombing, to the notorious terror financier Al-Taqwa Bank and the Islamic banks and charities run by the Golden Chain group of Saudi billionaires funding al Qaeda and the like, Islamic finance has served as the life-support system for radical Islam worldwide.”

Hmm, it’s beginning to sound quite sinister. But wait, there’s more!

“Sharia finance has two additional highly troubling aspects. All institutions offering Islamic products are required to hire Sharia advisors to certify that they are Sharia-compliant… these experts, like the Muslim Brotherhood¹s Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, are radical Islamists trained and indoctrinated in the Wahhabi or Deobandi-controlled Sharia faculties in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and elsewhere. They are the intellectual driving force behind the hateful Wahhabi/Salafi ideology of Islamism and the leading theological enablers of extremism and terrorism. By hiring such people… Western banks become unwitting sponsors of radical Islam. Second (and no less troubling) is the matter of zakat, or almsgiving, in Sharia finance…. According to the Koran, there are eight categories of deserving zakat beneficiaries and four of them… fall under the category of  financial jihad, which essentially permits and legitimizes zakat distribution to extremist and terrorist organizations.. Whether they know it or not, these eager converts to Sharia finance end up becoming, at best, unwitting dupes, and at worst, willing fellow-travelers of the Islamists promoting it.”

So before you rush to join the Sharia bandwagon, just stop to think that you might be financing your own descent into slavery! Giving up freedom and all the principles of a liberal democracy for the subjugation of Islam is just too high a price to pay.

SAY NO TO SHARIA!
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Paul Fox
Paul Fox: ...
Cassandra, I am an accountant and a debit is debit and a credit is a credit, I see no need for Sharia banking.

To understand accounts you need to understand a very basic formula, for every debit there must always be a credit and vice versa, everything else flows from that, it is that simple, to introduce cult ideology to finance is a con.

This is just a further spliting off of Muslims from the rest, or to put it another way Aparthied, it is all very deliberate.

Just another example of business selling out to Islam to make a few extra dollars.
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November 06, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Paul,
Thanks for that information. I thought I was missing something.

But it seems it really is that simple!
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November 06, 2007
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Swallow: ...
I have more questions than I could find on the net:
1. Since Muslims are not allowed to pay (or collect interest) is Sharia a really interest free financial system?
2. If it is what can I do to get a loan as a non-Muslim?
3. If I cannot, what are the legal issues here?
(I a Muslim comes to my business I cannot say we do not serve you kind here). Can they refuse my application for a loan?
4. Can I sue them if they do????
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November 06, 2007
Dan Zaremba
Dan Zaremba: ...
Awwwwwww, I have a spare million wish. Could I get a halal loan providing I'll return it to the .. community??
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November 06, 2007
Rosie
Rosie: ...
can single mothers apply for Sharia approved loans?
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November 06, 2007
Blue Heeler
Blue Heeler: ...
Cassandra - like you, I am no financial expert but developments in Melbourne concerning the MCCA are not hard to fathom, even without delving into the arcane world of "high finance".
There's no reason to think Sydney or any other of our major cities are any different.

Quite simply, MCCA provides an economic edge to Muslims not available to the average Australian. That is cartel-like trading - illegal in this country.

At present I believe the average mortgage runs at about 6.5 %? I could be wrong on that, but as a ballpark figure it will do. Whatever the precise figure, it is a massive burden all would-be homeowners must shoulder. The fact that a mooted 0.25% rise in the Prime Interest Rate can threaten the downfall of the Government shows how burdensome it it. (OH, as I write the announcement has just come through. It's gone up, and Howard will be quaking.)

When the "average Aussie" - the average NON MUSLIM AUSSIE - is "competing" with people who pay no interest, the economic advantage is enormous.
Not having to cope with the burden of some $400 - 1,000 extra a month allows a lot of economic freedom. Australians cannot enjoy that - Muslims can. Simple social equation.

Given the massive advantage MCCA funding will provide the Muslim candidate, the "average Aussie" is going to wake up in 10 years to find that his rent is going to Akmed the taxi-driver, who owns 5 other properties in the street, and his "brothers" who own the suburb!!
Economic take-over is one of the 3 "time-bombs" often talked about in Islamist theory.
Population swamping, economic take-over, terrorism - the unholy trinity, in evidence world-wide.

Although it is hard to get hard "paper" evidence, there is abundant anecdotal evidence to suggest that Imams in Melbourne are controlling the outflow of Islamic funds, determining where prospective loan-holders will purchase and live.
This is in keeping with the idea of purchasing electorates and seats in Parliament. Once a "seat" is in Muslim hands, the political balance is changed forever. Islamic "compliance" legislation follows.
We already have Councils who refuse to serve pork products at public functions, fast food restaurants who are following the same "compliance" and other forms of "creeping sharia". When Muslims own "the shop" no-one will be free of their influence.

As in all things Islamic, their public utterances have to be filtered through an understanding of "taqiya"
Thus -
"MCCA, a co-operative owned by our members. Since beginning operations in 1989, MCCA has cemented its position at the forefront of Shari’a compliant finance and investment in Australia. And our profits return to our members via share dividends.
Home ownership is an important part of Australian life and MCCA has assisted thousands of Muslim families to realise their goal without compromising their principles or sacrificing quality of service."


.... can be taken with a grain of salt.
Shareholders? Obedient Muslims who follow direction.
"dividends"? Interest payment off-sets.
"assisted thousands"? make that tens of thousands.

SWALLOW
3. If I cannot, what are the legal issues here?
(I a Muslim comes to my business I cannot say we do not serve you kind here). Can they refuse my application for a loan?


I can and do. There's a sign on my shop front window stating very clearly,
"We do not serve Muslims here".
As we have a large Muslim student population at Monash University, just 750 metres away, this is not an idle throw-away line with no "real-time" meaning.
It's a response to the declarations of war I hear in every word that comes from their mouths.
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November 07, 2007
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Swallow: ...
Blue,
Thanks for the tip.
Much appreciated.
I'd adjust the sign though:
"We do not not serve RACISTS, BIGOTS & MUSLIMS here"
What do you think?
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November 07, 2007
Blue Heeler
Blue Heeler: ...
Swallow - redundant terms. One size fits all!
Muslim = racist bigotry.
;)
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November 07, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Swallow, Blue Heeler,

As racial discrimination is both illegal and immoral, I think it's fair to refuse to deal with practising Muslims, as they follow a racist ideology.

When I went to enquire about flights to England recently, I was offered an Emirates flight, as it was the best deal at the time. I told the lady at Flight Centre that I wouldn't fly Emirates because they were racist. She looked surprised!

In the end, I flew Thai airlines. I was shocked, on reading the menu, to discover that as well as providing kosher and Muslim meals by special request, "all types of meat incorporated in flight meals have been through the halal process".

My question is, why does Thailand, a predominantly Buddhist country, apply sharia law on their flights?
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November 07, 2007
Blue Heeler
Blue Heeler: ...
Cass - we recently closed all our personal, business and investment accounts with the NAB because of their disgraceful suck-up to the Saudi money-go-round. (They may not have noticed anything in the bottom line - LOL)

Naturally, no-one in the local branch had any idea of their Head Office's complicity in this Sharia-by-stealth. It was quite fun, holding forth at the bank counter for the edification of the assembled customers.
At the time, however, the good people of Sleepy Hollow had little to concern them, they thought. Islamic problems were probably safetly confined to Melbourne/Dandenong in their thinking and so were "somebody elses problem". Only 2 months ago!

Lo and behold, the Housing Commission has recently located some 35-50 Somali "refugees" in Sleepy Hollow and, surprise, surprise..... people are alarmed and very "not happy Jan".
It's a classic bit of NIMBY-ism, for sure, but it does demonstrate something very clearly..... Australians don't want a bar of this "Immigration Policy" when it affects and influences them!
Fear and loathing comes to small town, Oz!
Camden, my old home town, is not alone!!

At the rate Muslims are being thrust upon us it won't be long before the experiences of these isolated communities becomes a much more common reality.
People are scratching their heads, bewildered. "Why Sleepy Hollow, a place with massive and endemic unemployment and a plethora of social problems?"
My answer is, of course, that all of Australia is being targeted for "insertions" in attempts to make these people "mainstream". Nothing but a ploy to force multi-cultural "tolerance" onto the unsuspecting. People of Sleepy Hollow would have decried this, a year ago, as paranoia. Now they are not mocking.


You know of my attachment to Thailand. I'm very disappointed to hear Thai Airways have buckled. There is intense pressure on Thailand at the moment, from a Muslim Prime Minister (as a result of the last coup d'etat) and a violent southern constituency. I guess (hope) this is just a sop to Islam from them. It is a fact that most Sth Thai Muslims are wealthy (comparably) so they would be consistent airline patrons.
Still doesn't make me comfortable, though. No-one, anywhere is standing up to Islam and telling them to moderate themselves and get back to the end of the line.... no-one.
Look at our election platforms!!! 4 years ago.... "We will decide who comes to this country and how".
Well, Howard decided alright!!!
Open slather as Immigration Policy!
Given the world-wide, long-term problems Islam has been causing, here's a good idea.....
let's bring MORE of them to Australia!
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November 08, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Blue Heeler,

That's the problem - most people are unaware of what's going on, and by the time they wake up, it's too late. It's great that you educated NAB customers. It would be good if some enterprising group with money (that lets AIM out!) could put newspaper ads alerting the public to the deception that is going on. In fact, what NAB is doing must surely count as Misleading and Deceptive Conduct under the Trade Practices Act. But who cares about what the law says, so long as we kowtow to Islam.

As you say, the NIMBY factor is all-important. That's why academics in their ivory towers and living in expensive houses far away from ordinary people feel secure in pronouncing their culturally relativist views, basking in their moral superiority, as they don't have to live with the results of their idiotic pronouncements.

Unlike the residents of Sleepy Hollow, who will soon experience Islamic demands - separate facilities for women at sporting venues, extra funding for halal food, mosques and Islamic schools, to mention but a few. And if the local council dare refuse, watch out for the resultant cry of "Islamophobia" and "racism", plus of course the accompanying violence and intimidation.

No, Islam MUST be contained, for the benefit of all Australians, including Muslims themselves, who are in thrall to this racist totalitarian ideology. Islam oppresses everyone!!
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November 08, 2007
Circe
Circe: ...
Islamic, sharia compliant, finance is terrifying for it is nothing more than getting money into our countries to distribute to Muslims only, including terrorist groups (I regard all muslims as dangerous), even though other means of finance may be stopped. Even more vile is the willing participation of our banks who hand over cash to Muslims under conditions not available to others....do they get lower interest and longer times to repay? Are we financing them by paying higher interest to cover the money LOST in financing Muslims? Our access to money is restricted and inhibited by high interest while money is transferred to Muslims! This is unacceptable apartheid based on religion! Imagine if 'whites' were allowed to get special products and conditions available only to them!!! There would be a huge outcry as there should be about the unending favouring of Muslims and bending to their vile demands. As the general population becomes aware of the danger of Islam and the gutless priviledging of Muslims going on in schools, universities, businesses, banks and government etc they become more and more angry.
Also, if they end up controlling a large amount of money from western banks they gain control overall and have the capacity to cause economic destruction of the west...something that is becoming a very popular idea in many muslim circles. Some have suggested the deliberately lit fires of California were part of this plan to destroy the west economically.
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November 08, 2007
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Shafee al- Apostate: ...
Cassandra
Regarding your quip about shariah-compliant toilet paper, many Muslims do not use any. They are supposed to wash their backsides with water using their left hands only. This is why they are only allowed to eat with their right hands. When no water is available they can use three stones. On no account though are they permitted to use bones as a substitute as these are reserved as food for jinns.

As for “Islamic banking” this is a big scam to fleece poor gullible Muslim borrowers. As interest is supposedly not allowed on loans (the Quran actually says “usury” not “interest” – but then one cannot expect ignorant mullahs to know the difference) a “profit” of a certain percentage is added on to the amount borrowed and the total is the sum payable.

The Cow (II: 275 MMPV) “Allah permitteth trading and forbiddeth usury.” This “profit” far exceeds the legal rate of interest charged by the normal banks and is equivalent to usury.

Rich Muslims naturally profit very handsomely from this scheme and would loudly scream “Islamophobia” if consumer protection organizations tried to investigate. They further stack the deck by ensuring that the Shariah Board of Directors has many mullahs in their ranks to silence any opposition. The major banking groups are only too pleased to capitalize on this as the profits they make far exceed the legal rate of interest they are allowed to charge their clients.
Once again religion is abused to fleece the unwary.
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November 09, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Shafee-al Apostate,

Thanks for setting me straight on Muslims' toilet habits. I freely admit that I am no expert on Islam - I leave that to people like you and others who write on the site like Abul Kasem. But I do know a bit about democracy and am concerned about the threats to undermine it.

Thanks also for explaining how Islamic borrowing actually operates. I must admit I was puzzled, but generally go by the old adage "If something looks too good to be true, it usually is." So once again it's the wealthy privileged Muslims exploiting their own. That's the tragedy of all this: Islam is bad for other faiths, but most of all, it's bad for Muslims.
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November 09, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Circe,
"if they end up controlling a large amount of money from western banks they gain control overall and have the capacity to cause economic destruction of the west...something that is becoming a very popular idea in many muslim circles."

Sadly, this is the weakness of democracies, and ideologies like Islam can bring them to their knees, by economic means, also by demographics. this is what is happening in Europe, and many Europeans are starting to wake up to it, but it may be too late.

"Some have suggested the deliberately lit fires of California were part of this plan to destroy the west economically."

This is a very low-cost way to aid in the destruction of a country. There was evidence that the NSW bushfires were mostly deliberately lit. Were any investigations done about the perpetrators, or would this have been considered politically incorrect?

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November 09, 2007
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November 10, 2007
Dr Evil (PhD)
Dr Evil (PhD): ...
I can remember in England a very big problem evolved in that commercial activity and house purchases were becoming exclusive to Moslems; we have to pay Taxes – Interest on our loans and earnings- and one interesting piece of information attached to Immigration is that the World Bank subsidises Immigrant loans to purchase businesses in the Western World at One % interest- That is one hell of a handicap for the rest of us don’t you think?
Considering it is our tax money funding our own destruction and annihilation- I often wondered in any Sovereign Nations Constitution that an entity can loot its own treasury by Statute and fund its own demise; Sort of a Mafia Paradigm by paying a contract to have your self Wicked.
Surly it must be a twilight zone principle at work here?
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November 10, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Dr Evil,

What you say is chilling
'an entity can loot its own treasury by Statute and fund its own demise'

This is what is happening in England. Surely it's not too late for us to heed the warning and prevent it from happening over here.

On another topic, on Thursday evening, A Current Affair had an item on Camden and how the residents of this very Australian town are angry about having an Islamic school foisted on them. Funnily enough, there has been nothing in the rest of the media about this, at least not in Victoria.

Does the government/media imagine that by not publicising what is happening, Aussies will just accept the creeping Islamisation of Oz? I think they are underestimating our intelligence and fightig spirit. We will not lie down and let ourselves be overrun by Islamofacists!!
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November 10, 2007
Dr Evil (PhD)
Dr Evil (PhD): ...
Yes Cass, the Camden issue was a good resalt, there were approx 2000 in attendance, and the Ugly head of the Lobotomized did pop up with the racism garbage, although the line chosen in this protest was the preservation of Historic value for the area, and that well fits in with other development applications.
That said, with a State Labour Government of N S W, near bankrupt in monetary and ethical terms may well sell out the people once more anyway.

I have been on the march the last few weeks looking at properties, and in the country regions, the vast population are – Have Snapped, you may well see the sad reality of civil war in Australia and the attitudes are vast and serious, attitudes out side the cosmopolitan trope that has fumigated our cities is harshly radicalized in the typical Australian manner out there.

It is sad to report that if Governments don’t desist in Socialist Propaganda and start to get back to basics , then the Governments and their arms will pay big time, and not at the Polls.

Even Gravelrash and I are tame considering the levels of resentment. And that is not theorising, it is real and it is ready.
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November 10, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Dr Evil,

It would be good if you could keep us up to date with what is happening in Camden. Were the 2,000 people organised, and if so, by whom. Or was it a spontaneous rebellion by citizens who felt their government was ignoring them?
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November 10, 2007
Blue Heeler
Blue Heeler: ...
Letters to the Camden Advertiser have been predictable. There's a LOT of common sense, a lot of logic, some appeasing, some dhimmification and...... the Muslim response - "youse are all racist convict scum."

Curoius,isn't it, that virtually every nation that has experienced islam wants nothing to do with it AND they are all racists to boot! What are the odds?

Camden is the town where John MacArthur started the merino sheep industry that we "rode on the back of" for more than a century.
He had large numbers of convicts in his employ.
Camden was a holding area for convicts before they were "assigned" to labor in the Southern areas of NSW.
Convict road gangs were quartered in the Camden area.
Much of old Camden was built by convict labor.
Governor MacQuarie built what are now know as "the MacQuarie towns", all with convict labor. Camden is a MacQuarie town.
It is laughable to discuss Camden without reference (and deference) to it's convict heritage.
That Muslims invoke the "convict slur" when discussing Camden resident responses shows just how far out of touch with this country they are.

John Howards desire to have our history taught again seems poignantly urgent, in that light.

You can live in Australia with no regard for, or knowledge of, our history but you can never be an Australian without that understanding and knowledge.
F**k off, Mohamed. Before we put you in chains.

(Now, THERE'S an idea!)
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November 11, 2007
Blue Heeler
Blue Heeler: ...
By the way - Blue Heeler was born in Camden. Muslims in my old home town?
Over my dead body.
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November 11, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
By the way, some people doubt the claim that there are Muslim-only toilets on campus. See the article "Apartheid on Campus", by Persephone, who actually travelled to La Trobe University, Melbourne, to take the photos. The story was later taken up by Melbourne's Herald Sun and from there spread around the world. La Trobe was even nominated for the Neville Chamberlain award for this supreme act of dhimmitude. Unfortunately, they were pipped to the post by an even more deserving and craven dhimmi!

So hats off (or bottoms up) to La Trobe University! It may not be in the top few universities on the world list, but at least it excels in something.
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November 14, 2007
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betsy ross: american
islam supposedly doesnt allow finance charges, or usury (interest on loans)..but thats a lie to they just call it something different, but its the same...its profit on a loan...banks in the UK offer muslim loans for homes...all that amounts to is that your rent is applied toward the purchase of the home....we call them land contracts here in the US...we sell furniture the same way, only we call it...Rent-To-Own....but make no mistake...its still INTEREST if someone makes a profit on it....
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November 25, 2007
Cassandra
Cassandra: ...
Betsy Ross,
Thanks for your comment. You're absolutely right of course. As with every other aspect of Islam, the claim that their financial system doesn't allow finance charges is a lie.

But what else do you expect from an ideology that lies about its basic tenet i.e. that it is a religion of peace, when we all know when it's a religion of neverending warfare until Islam crushes all in its path. What other religion has as an article of faith that you have to deceive infidels?

Not that I class Islam as a religion - it's a most evil ideology, invented by a sick pervert, who had the smarts to clothe it in a mantle of religion (pinched from other, legitimate religions) to fool the gullible.

And it worked!
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November 25, 2007

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